Gorogoa — красивая игра-головоломка на вечер. С очень интересной механикой. Нужно взаимодействовать с картинками, — увеличивать, уменьшать, перемещать, накладывать друг на друга. И такие манипуляции приводят к решению головоломки. Сюжет очень образный, но приятно в процессе прохождения гадать, что же сейчас происходит.
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Скриншот Мастодон. Изображение представляет собой скриншот социальной сети Мастодон, показывающий серию сообщений. На скриншоте видны сообщения от двух пользователей, Johan и Lina. В сообщениях обсуждается изображение кота Шрёдингера, его размер и возможность печати на футболке или постере. Виден аватар пользователя Lina с изображением кота.
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@ johan@dvd.chat Schrödinger's cat: THE ESCAPE PLAN
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@ johan@dvd.chat классный арт!
Поделись архивом плиз, я хочу
заказать себе такую на футболку!
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@lina@ mastodon.ml @ johan@dvd.chat aaa, стоп!!!
А как ты смог подцепить архив к
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У меня архив не виден, но его можно
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"Your house was once the home of a farming pioneer!"
I was just thinking of the beautiful Claymills pumping station near Burton on Trent - they're initially quite reticent about how it was built for pumping sewage (mainly brewery waste) from Burton, then poke a bit - and all sorts of info comes out. About sewage farming.
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(I took loads of photos there some years ago, and got an impromptu guided tour of the place...)
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Постер фильма/иллюстрация: Изображение представляет собой стилизованный постер, возможно, к фильму или игре. На чёрном фоне изображена сидящая кошка, смотрящая на доску, исписанную математическими формулами и каракулями. Вверху видны имена известных учёных: Шрёдингер, Эйнштейн, Бор и Дирак. Внизу – название "THE ESCAPE PLAN". Стиль изображения – графический, напоминающий рисунок мелом на доске.
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ERWIN
ALBERT
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EINSTEIN
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THE ESCAPE PLAN
— This sun is chasing me! | — Это солнце меня преследует!
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По случаю того, что завтра уже всерьёз начинаются #ТрудовыеБудни, держите фото моего первого рабочего места, которое я опять нашёл.
Слева ещё стояли два сервера, там работал SCO Unix, один из мониторов их консоль. Справа открыта "рабочая станция" с Windows 95 (кажется?), которая собрана по остаточному принципу и поэтому вечно чинилась, единственным беспроблемным компонентом в ней был жёсткий диск (вон он, пятидюймовый, торчит из корпуса).
Защитный экран на мониторе не потому, что боялись ЭМИ, а с ним мерцание и цвета были не такими мерзкими. Творческий беспорядок на столе отражает поиск очередной комбинации, в которой Internet Explorer будет поменьше тормозить.
Что паялось паяльником я уже в упор не помню. но, вроде бы, провода для терминалов, с которых на сервере работали пользователи. Да, работали они на настоящих терминалах без всякой сети - их терминалы втыкались в сервер напрямую через последовательные порты. Вот это настоящий TUI, а не это ваше позерство с обоями и тайлингом!
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Кстати, вон справа окно.
Поскольку рабочая станция работала лучше с открытым корпусом (как на картинке) и на ней порой тоже что-то крутилось, что влияло на работу, как-то зимой я вызвал неплохую аварию, открыв окно и уйдя на обед. Чтоб проветрилось, а то серверы там могли надышать.
Снега в прогнозе не было, но он пришёл, насыпав прямо в корпус горку с полметра высотой.
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Ещё вспомнил как у нас там случилось падение системы.
Какие-то особо важные логи у нас выводились самым классическим образом - на матричный принтер (типа такого, но постарее и более раздолбанный), непрерывной лентой. По-моему, это даже так требовалось по закону.
Принтер этот стоял на обычном постсоветском офисном столе, лента шла с рулона и падала в коробку под ним. Всё было хорошо.
Пока однажды с утра всё это дело не рухнуло на бок в буквальном смысле (и завалило заодно тоже в буквальном смысле резервный сервер, стоящий рядом) - от постоянных вибраций стол просто расшатался и его ДСП частично разрушилась.
Не представляю, где в 2005-м было ещё SCO Unix с настоящими терминалами.
У меня тогда работа была вокруг WinNT систем крупных на десятки тысяч рабочих мест. Boeing, Samsung, BMW, Fujitsu и т.д.
Когда наши продукты AD на них переводили месяцами накапливая информацию, чтобы в один момент переключить на новые DC. Одних только Exchange серверов было сотни штук в сети таких клиентов.
Другие продукты как раз именно вокруг миграции этих самых Exchange были и даже на 95% кормили компанию.
Как раз в эти года от нас ушли учредители Netwrix с тем, что касалось аудита и контроля изменений объектов AD, а сама компания оказалась приобретена крупной трансконтиненталкой.
Твоё место работы тогдашнее на всем этом фоне смотрится чем-то адово архаичным и застрявшем в прошлом лет на десять.
Да в это время считай часть коллег уже уходили чтобы создать компанию по бэкапам ESX & ESXi — виртуализированных сред, Veeam.
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так было в период отходняка от ельцинской экономики. В самом начале 2000-х годов, когда за сотню долларов в месяц можно было квартиру у метро снимать.
Жудкая нищета на фоне тотального и затянувшегося разгрома страны. Многое вокруг было как после войны, а на Северном Кавказе как раз война и шла полномасштабно.
Зарплата в $250-350 считалась очень приличной, к 2005 году нормальные подросли до $450-600.
Вокруг все цены были в $, даже в магазинах ими расплачиваться можно было.
За входящие звонти на сотовый телефон платить надо было. Кончились деньги? Тебе никто дозвониться не сможет.
Другой мир, прямо. Депресняк жуткий.
In "This week in KDE Apps" we look at the usability improvements landing in Alligator, Dolphin, and Itinerary; new features for KMyMoney, Tokodon and NeoChat; and updated versions of Amarok and Skrooge.
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This Week in KDE Apps: Usability improvements, new features, and updated apps
Welcome to a new issue of "This Week in KDE Apps"! Every week we cover as much as possible of what's happening in the world of KDE apps.This Week in KDE Apps: Usability improvements, new features, and updated apps
Пережили первое отключение электричества, при котором мы пользовались генератором. Что не понравилось:
- Генератор с номинальной мощностью 6500 Вт отрубался при нагрузке в 4300. Как говорят, это нормально. 6500 - его кратковременная пиковая мощность. Но все равно ощущение, что обманули.
- Генератор работал 7 часов. Выжрал полный бак 92го бензина. Но это ничего. Хуже, что после 10 часов работы уже надо менять масло! А слив масла для него проектировал, видимо, Чужой для Хищника - очень тугая гайка в 2 см над поверхностью земли.Надо какой-то лоток искать.
- Очень странно повел себя ИБП, на котором у меня вся ИТ-инфраструктура дома. Казалось бы, какая ему разница, от чего питается дом в данный момент. Но при питании от генератора, он, через некоторое время, начинает истошно орать и переходит на аккумулятор. Аккумулятор через час садится, ИБП снова орет и вырубается. Через пять минут он видит, что напряжение все-таки есть, врубается... и через пять минут весь цикл повторяется. Что ему не нравится? ХЗ.
Из смешного. Свет дали в 12, а генератор мы вырубили в 16. Почему? А потому что единственный способ узнать, что свет дали - посмотреть на счетчик на столбе возле дома. Если на нем горит светодиод, значит, электричество есть. Так вот, счетчик висит на 6-метровой высоте. И днем этот светодиод не виден, как оказалось. Хотя мне казалось, что это не так.
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>Что ему не нравится?
чистота синуса, у меня перед генератором стоит стабилизатор и проблемы такой нет
в щиток можно вставить лампочку на провод от города, очень спасает меня
по инструкции мой генератор раз в 5 часов надо останавливать кстати
Если бы покупал генератор на жидком топливе - только дизель.
Хороший генератор довольно дорогая игрушка.
ИБП не нравится плавающая частота.
П.с.
Да, рекламный ход лгать про реальную мощность генератора, это действительно неприятно.
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Упс не уважает генератор, как вариант, потому, что там вероятен не синус на выходе. И нестабильность частоты, да.
Генер надо монтировать на салазки, тогда и масло будет проще менять.
@Michael [Кошак] Skolsky (R1BLH)
6500Вт или 6500ВА?
6500ВА, ты прав. Это значит -20%. Но все равно получается гораздо больше.
Упс не уважает генератор, как вариант, потому, что там вероятен не синус на выходе. И нестабильность частоты, да.
Насчет синуса я не подумал. В нем дело, конечно. Надо стабилизатор впендюрить.
Генер надо монтировать на салазки, тогда и масло будет проще менять.
Эту проблему я частично решил, поставив его на "постамент". Но все равно там еще требуется доработка.
ты прав. Это значит -20%. Но все равно получается гораздо больше.
4550Вт (ВА * 0.7).
Стабилизатор -- дело хорошее завсегда при нестабильном питании. Вспоминая, как в детстве все телеки через стабилизаторы питались у нас.
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У нас совсем другие условия. Отключения чаще (пару раз в месяц, наверное) и короче (обычно засов за пять успевают все починить). Но переживаются труднее, так как у нас на электричество завязана и сантехника - своя скважина с с насосом. Соответственно, при отключении ни посуду помыть ни посрать. Как ни странно, с отоплением проще. У нас камин, который отапливает почти весь дом. Закрываем ненужные комнаты, растапливаем камин и все ок. А еще недавно купили газовый переносной обогреватель. Его хватает часов на 25 отапливать большую залу.
и выложил всё одним архивом.
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Winter auf den Wacholderwiesen
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ну как бы сочинские пляжные фотографы примерно это и делали, накачивая всяких тигрят транквилизаторами до состояния полного отупения чтобы фоткать туристов.
любопытно, продолжается эта практика сейчас или нет.
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Иллюстрация, серия из четырёх картинок. Изображены тигры, лежащие на траве. На спинах двух тигров сидят люди, делающие селфи. На двух других картинках люди дают тиграм сигареты. Картинки разделены кирпичной стеной. Стиль иллюстрации — реалистичный, но с элементами карикатуры. Цветовая гамма приглушённая, пастельная.
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Is Lemmy becoming too ideologically homogeneous? Thoughts on political diversity in the Fediverse.
I've been using Lemmy for a while now, and I've noticed something that I was hoping to potentially discuss with the community.
As a leftist myself (communist), I generally enjoy the content and discussions on Lemmy.
However, I've been wondering if we might be facing an issue with ideological diversity.
From my observations:
- Most Lemmy Instances, news articles, posts, comments, etc. seem to come from a distinctly leftist perspective.
- There appears to be a lack of "centrist", non-political, or right-wing voices (and I don't mean extreme MAGA-type views, but rather more moderate conservative positions).
- Discussions often feel like they're happening within an ideological bubble.
My questions to the community are:
- Have others noticed this trend?
- Do you think Lemmy is at risk of becoming an echo chamber for leftist views, a sort of Truth Social, Parler, Gab, etc., esque platform, but for Leftists?
- Is this a problem we should be concerned about, or is it a natural result of Lemmy's community-driven nature?
- How might we encourage more diverse political perspectives while still maintaining a respectful and inclusive environment?
- What are the potential benefits and drawbacks of having a more politically diverse user base on Lemmy?
As much as I align with many of the views expressed here, I wonder if we're missing out on valuable dialogue and perspective by not having a more diverse range of political opinions represented.
I'm genuinely curious to hear your thoughts on this.
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I think you provide the perfect example of what OP is talking about.
In my experience this kind of comments and “far left” views are the norm on Lemmy. I think that in this regard Reddit had (I have not been there since the API shutdown) a much more balanced and wide spectra of political views. Not to mention that everything wasn’t political there. Here I feel like everything takes a “far left”/Marxist turn.
To me, this homogenous political environment turns me off and is one of the primary factors behind me not really using Lemmy that much.
To be clear I do not think that your views should be silenced and whatnot. Just agreeing that this is indeed a “far left” echo chamber.
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In my experience this kind of comments and “far left” views are the norm on Lemmy. I think that in this regard Reddit had (I have not been there since the API shutdown) a much more balanced and wide spectra of political views ...
redditors (like most americans) proved that they believe a genocide is acceptable political collateral damage and that facism is okay; that's fucked and not at all balanced in any way.
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I’m not talking about whether the content of an opinion is balanced or not. I’m talking about that if you take into consideration all the different views; are there just a few vs many, are the views leaning heavily in a specific direction (right/left), etc.
And you continue to prove the point that Lemmy has a “far left” overweight. I’ll remind you again that I’m not talking about whether I think you are right or wrong, just that it’s an echo chamber for opinions like this.
And you continue to prove the point that Lemmy has a “far left” overweight. I’ll remind you again that I’m not talking about whether I think you are right or wrong, just that it’s an echo chamber for opinions like this.
genocide is never acceptable and facism is never okay; these are facts, not opinions.
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They're big parts of the American Overton window now; yet you called their consideration
a much more balanced and wide spectra of political views
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Not sure what you mean to be honest. What do you mean by "yet you called their consideration"?
What I meant earlier was that the way that you express
redditors (like most americans) proved that they believe a genocide is acceptable political collateral damage and that facism is okay; that’s fucked and not at all balanced in any way.
is (in this case left?) misrepresentation what others (or most other) believe. I don't know if this is in bad faith or if its because of "echo chamber radicalization". I do have a hard time believing that "most americans" or "redditors" (as in most redditors?) approve of genocide or facism. They might have other/more nuanced ideas on some issues than you. But for the record I'm not American.
I do believe that you will be able to provide examples of crazy comments on some issues. But in my experience, when you leave the internet and talk to people in real life - most people are sane, moderate and do not hold far left/right opinions on most of the issues discussed like this on the internet.
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Reddit is an American website and the Americans mainstream disregarded a genocide to vote for fascism.
Lemmy was invented by and built for leftists and others who reject this sort of mainstream perspective.
You're advocating for a reddit like perspective on Lemmy and both the moderate American & reddit perspective is unpalatable and immoral; Lemmy is better of wo this perspective.
The people on your primary instance have qualms about genocide and fascism but believe neither are important enough to change; it would probably help you to focus your feed on your instance.
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To be clear I do not think that your views should be silenced and whatnot. Just agreeing that this is indeed a “far left” echo chamber.
We, just like you, have been bombarded incessantly from birth with the hegemonic bourgeois ideology. It is inescapable. Most people don’t even realize they’re soaking in it, because they’ve never been outside of it. For most people it’s just “.” It’s literally impossible for us to escape to a “‘far left’ echo chamber.”
Who is really in an “echo chamber”: those who have investigated outside of our hegemonic liberal/capitalist/imperialist culture, or those who never have?
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This post appeared in my timeline yesterday. Thought I would share it with you.
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lack evidence to add a worthy perspective
That's exactly the point. "Conservative" most of the time means rollback to segregation and discrimination whereas the only chance of humanity lies within compassion and cooperation.
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I think there are some conservative opinions that are worth discussing. For one example, I've seen conservatives talk frequently about protecting children from an increasingly secular world. Comparitvely, that topic rarely comes up in normal lemmy topics.
Truth be told, I generally am progressive on this, but I sometimes wish I could discuss this with someone whom I may disagree with, so I could better understand where I would stand
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The phrase "are ethically wrong" is hilarious. According to whose code of ethics? How are their ethics more moral than someone else's set of ethics?
There's literally entire branches of philosophy dedicated to the concept of morals and the concepts of good and evil.
Edit: Also, to add on to this, something can be ethically right but morally wrong, or ethically wrong but morally right.
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yeah, liberals are conservative scum lol.
liberals are literally on the left wing of the spectrum, but apparently that's not good enough for 'arbitrary decider of who's a leftist' here
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You have to be at least anti-capitalist to be a leftist. That's the bare minimum.
Lemmy liberals are centrists. They favor capitalism with regulations and social welfare.
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You have to be at least anti-capitalist to be a leftist.
oh I must have missed the "YOU MUST BE AT LEAST THIS ANARCHO-MARXIST TO RIDE THE LEFTIST LABEL" sign at the front of the line.
damn is this really how you think? are these really the thoughts that just bubble up in that grey matter?
way too much time on your hands if so
you're so fucking busy delineating who's not a good leftist that the conservatives are going to destroy you all and you'll be quibbling about who was a real one and who's faking being in the concentration camp.
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The liberal wants to preserve some parts of the capitalist tradition while enacting some social reforms. That puts them in the center.
You want to talk about concentration camps? The US has the largest incarcerated population in the world, and it has my entire life, since Clinton introduced the Crime Bill. The prison population almost doubled from 1990 to 2000. That's liberalism.
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Yeah, in the interest of not having a bloody, civil war, I'd rather try to correct the economic paradigm that we have rather than instill a new one that will have its own set of unique and terrible problems (for example, see nomenklatura).
The chaos that will arise from the transition will be deadly, terrifying, and profound. It is not something I wish my children to have to go through. So, yeah....of course I'd rather work to fix the system that we have.
Okay, but that's why you aren't a leftist.
Personally, the reason I have an .ml account instead of an account on one of the farther left instances which aren't federated with .world is because I want to argue with people like you. I welcome the diversity of opinion between leftists and liberals, I deliberately expose myself to it. Liberals keep me sharp without being emotionally exhausting the way people farther to the right are.
(for example, see nomenklatura)
We have nomencultura at home, in the Professional Managerial Class: the college educated labor aristocracy that serves the capitalist class.
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But literally, you do need to be anticapitalist to be a leftist.
Where did you learn your stance from? Its wild.
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liberals are literally on the left wing of the spectrum
They literally aren't
Liberals are auth right on the political compass.
Leftism is anti-capitalist.
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No, the political compass is an oversimplification of political ideologies that is extremely biased towards liberal viewpoints of the world. It is not useful and only actually harms political discussion.
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There appears to be a lack of "centrist", non-political, or right-wing voices (and I don't mean extreme MAGA-type views, but rather more moderate conservative positions).
They hang out in /modlog.
so you're suggesting, what, exactly?
say I'd observed this trend as well, and agreed there was a risk (I don't but let's follow your chain of thinking) - what then?
Because I'm sure there's a desire for conservatives to have alternatives to reddit, but I as they can federate their own instances and have damn near free reign over whatever communities they want to create, I don't really understand what's to be gained from any actions that might be taken. We won't convince them it's a conservative haven, and that's genuinely what they want, a safe space where no one questions their conservatism.
so what is it you're thinking?
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- Yes I noticed this too
- It already is, which is a shame
- Yes it's a problem because even if you try to get a balanced amount of all the views in your Lemmy subscriptions it's not possible, at the same time bubbles radicalize people.
- Let discussions happen, don't delete and ban because you're against the view (as long as it's not continuously spamming)
- Benefit: You see people as humans even if they are wrong, Drawback: you need to sometimes change your mind in face of new evidence showing up, which it wouldn't if you stay in your bubble.
The thing which I really dislike with a bubble is that people inside of it get more and more radical and ban even their allies because they're not radical enough.
There appears to be a lack of “centrist”
“Progressive” liberals in fact the centrists—they're center-left at best—and there are plenty of them here.
right-wing voices (and I don’t mean extreme MAGA-type views, but rather more moderate conservative positions)
These people are liberals as well, but because they usually break Lemmy’s code of conduct regarding various bigotries, they get usually quickly the boot.
non-political
Everything social is political, and the fediverse is social media.
These people are liberals as well
Linking to the general page for liberalism instead of classical liberalism when talking about right wingers... huh sloppy
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Yeah, it's not necessarily bad but it affects my point of view
Some might deny it, some might agree but decide it's for the best and apparently, others will just denote the least left of the leftists as conservative scum
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This is bad for the health of lemmy though, I think. A discussion board/framework should be politically neutral, while still employing rules on hate speech based on the voice of the masses.
If you want to talk hate speech, I've seen numerous accounts on lemmy instances of people advocating for murder or other violence against "billionaires" or anyone with a significant wealth. Or same with right-wing ideals, I've seen users advocating similar broad calls for violence based on pretty poor assumptions against the entire right-wing USA block.
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If someone wanted to make a well-formed right wing argument I doubt they'd get too much backlash. But it's all bigotry and lies and conspiracy theories at this point so they get shitcanned.
Fighting back against the ultra wealthy who are killing our people and our planet is not the same as punching down on minorities who are just trying to exist.
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Discussions often feel like they're happening within an ideological bubble.
While this can be true for some communities, I find that users here do still engage with other viewpoints when the discussions are in good faith.
I think the reason why a lot of users lean in a certain political direction is because of
- the origins of Lemmy
- users that choose to leave the older platforms may have done so for social / political reasons
- threadiverse is still relatively small
Do you think Lemmy is at risk of becoming an echo chamber for leftist views, a sort of Truth Social, Parler, Gab, etc., esque platform, but for Leftists?
I feel like we're getting more politically diverse over time. It's only a risk if we force a certain political leaning through moderation.
Is this a problem we should be concerned about, or is it a natural result of Lemmy's community-driven nature?
Worth keeping an eye on to see how it changes over time
How might we encourage more diverse political perspectives while still maintaining a respectful and inclusive environment?
Mainly moderation. If a community or space is intended for a particular group, it's perfectly fine to moderate how you see fit. If it is meant to be a general space, try to limit political biases when moderating and focus on bad faith comments.
If a post/comment was in good faith, it's more effective to let someone explain why it is wrong rather than removing it. Chances are that others can learn from the explanation (or that they were correct to begin with, and you'll learn something)
What are the potential benefits and drawbacks of having a more politically diverse user base on Lemmy?
The benefits are easy, I can't think of many drawbacks. Maybe:
- More people = higher moderation costs (which can be dealt with by having bigger teams)
- More drama (we have drama already)
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Not counting lemmygrad and hexbear most of lemmy instances is completely liberal, at best radical liberal. I seriously doubt your statement about being communist if you call for more centrism and think we need more rightwing info.
You want more rightwing? Go anywhere else in the internet, there's full of it everywhere. What is lacking everywhere else, is communist point of view.
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I am an independent and politically nonbinary, but people like assuming, almost always incorrectly, what I am thinking. The people on the right think I am left, and the people on the left think I am right. Apparently it is all relative, and the attitude of "if you disagree with me, you must be evil" is way too prominent, both on the left and the right.
I like listening to a variety of viewpoints because I can learn something new about human nature, even if I disagree with their opinion. It allows me to spot patterns that others don't see.
It also allows me to better understand and respond to flawed thinking and dangerous ideas. For example, giving power to someone who is power-hungry is dangerous, no matter what propaganda they are spouting. And there are opportunists and snakes in the grass all over the political spectrum. Just because they say the right things does not mean they do the right things. People don't always like it when that is pointed out. They confuse the leader for the cause.
The problem with remaining in an information bubble surrounded by like-minded people is that you start assuming that everyone thinks like you, which is usually not true at all. Both the right and the left fall into this trap sometimes. And people who have not experienced other cultures also fall into this trap. It creates an unrealistic and inaccurate view of the world. It also results in a shock when they realize that people on the other side of the world or from a different background think completely differently than they do.
It is one of the reasons why the Democrats lost the election in the U.S. They assumed they were the majority because they surrounded themselves with people who agreed with them and they repeatedly blocked or canceled anyone who disagreed. As a result, they shifted further and further away from what the people wanted, abandoned the working class, embraced unpopular views, and then wondered why they lost the swing voters, thereby giving the election to their arch enemies.
Cultivating and remaining in an information bubble is like shooting yourself in the foot and blaming the other side. The more you isolate yourself, the less reach your ideas have, and the less influence you have over society.
To be frank, some people are actually hoping both the far left and the far right becomes increasingly isolationist. It would mean they disappear from the mainstream consciousness since they silence themselves by blocking anyone who disagrees with them. That way they talk to themselves instead of bothering the mainstream middle, who are the actual majority.
The fact is, you don't hear much from the people in the middle because they get attacked from both the right and the left, and most people don't like the drama. Instead, they just go to the ballot box and vote against the politicians they don't like.
In an idea world, we could talk about the issues and come up with some non-partisan solutions. But society has become so polarized, I am not sure that is even possible anymore.
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This sounds like some kind of an enlightened centrist take.
Educate me though, can you briefly describe your political philosophy?
@mortemtyrannis It is pretty simple, really. Don't screw over other people.
So that means I am against big business, monopolies, unfair trade practices, surveillance capitalism, hoarding wealth, etc.
I am also against big government, corrupt officials, police brutality, law enforcement overreach, government surveillance, tyranny, and dictators.
I think we should have free speech, but at the same time, I don't think we should allow harassment, doxing, slander, libel, or intimidation.
I think that people should get paid fairly based on what they contribute. Contribute more, get paid more. I also think that there should be a safety net for people who are struggling.
I think that we should have health care reform, but I don't like the choices that are being presented. Option 1: big business and big health care. Option 2: a government monopoly on health care. There is a middle route where you get rid of both big government and big business in health care. It would require some fundamental changes on how we handle health care, however.
I think we need less big business and less big government, and more small cooperatives, small businesses, and small non-profits. Smaller entities means it is closer to the people and they can chose who they want to deal with. Regardless of whether it is private, non-profit, or government-run, if you only have 5 choices or less, you really don't have much of a choice at all. Because if you have less than 5 major players, they all start to collude to keep policies and practices in place that benefit them and not the consumers or taxpayers.
I can go on. I may be an independent and politically non-binary, but I do have principles.
I dunno. I'm fairly far left, and moderately radicalized, and I get plenty of pushback. And from both those further left, and those that are US left (which is more centric overall).
Yeah, you don't get as many right wingers, but they do exist, and they tend to be willing to speak up. On the less crazy instances, they don't even get shut down by admins/mods, though they'll get down voted all to hell.
But I can't say that lemmy as a whole is that echoey. It just leans more left than any other form of social media.
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I would argue that wider community cohesion and thus tolerance of other viewpoints is important. Without hearing and understanding why these other points of view exist, understanding and accepting these people is hard.
Branding someone's point of view as inherently or even 'factually' wrong is pretty blunt, alienating and invalidating IMO. I prefer a left-wing world view that tolerates people who don't have the same understanding as me.
If my neighbor is adamant that an unregulated free market society benefits everyone and is the best option despite all evidence to the contrary, and won't be swayed by any argument or proof i offer, then fine. I just wont talk about the economy with them. But if my neighbor starts to say that trans people are mentally ill, and mexicans are subhuman, and palestinians deserve to be eradicated just for being born, thats a whole other matter. In the world we live in now we have to be very careful about what information is being propagated and consumed and absorbed by people who may lack the skills or understanding to resist it. As i said, some ideas are not worthy of repetition.
The value is in being accepting that other people don't see the world in the same way as you, and treating them with respect.
The value is having a society that is tolerant of diversity of opinion.
This is not an universal truth.
Nazism is explicitly deemed unworthy of respect in some legal systems, like Germany or the UK. MAGAs, white supremacists, and alt-righters are objectively too close to nazism, therefore their opinions are unworthy of respect to start with.
There is also the paradox of intolerance. If you let these people in, to respect their opinion, they will take over and deprive people of the right to live. They don't play by tolerant society's rules, so they they don't get tolerated.
The value is having a society that is tolerant of diversity of opinion.
Here is the opinion of the scientific consensus on transgender people, which is have been so for years, if not decades.
We have been harassed, bullied, doxxed, and banned for bringing those up in all major social media platforms. TERFs, white supremacists, misogynists, racists, have always gotten away in these platforms with punching down on leftists, African and Caribbean reparations activists, feminists, and queer people. They were protected by equally bigoted moderators under the guise of entitlement to their opinion, at the same time that all these other opinions are bashed and framed as "overstepping".
This is in line with what the EFF and Techdirt, which are both vocal First Amendment absolutists, have already said that what X and Facebook do now is in fact amplifying hate speech and effectively suppressing the free speech of gender and sexual minorities.
And this has been the situation for years, take for example the online harassment of feminists .
It is a deeply systemic bias, due to centrist indoctrination in broader society, that it is the leftist and inclusive spaces that are called out for lack of diversity for responding to harassment and bigotry, when the voices and lives of people are simply dominated and evacuated in major platforms without an iota of moderation and responsiveness to punch-down harassment.
Let alone that in the light of the most recent developments, which consolidates the above tendencies, makes the timing of the tolerance argument even more ironic and dishonest.
There is also the paradox of intolerance. If you let these people in, to respect their opinion, they will take over and deprive people of the right to live. They don’t play by tolerant society’s rules, so they they don’t get tolerated.
Do you not see the irony here of op being intolerant of sharing lemmy with people who do not share their viewpoint? You'll note from my other comments here that I'm explicitly not arguing for hate speech. IMO this thread was actually about the lack of moderate alternative views on Lemmy, not about encouraging extremist narratives to take over the federation.
What I am arguing for here is to drop the unhelpful us-versus-them narrative and to argue that Lemmy could well learn to tolerate a wider range of opinions. This is not to say extreme and intolerant views such as the ones you have described should be permitted.
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@emeralddawn45 It depends on whether we are talking about the hateful far right or conservatives.
Some things frequently talked about by conservatives, classic liberals, and centrists include:
1. Limitations on government power, including how to prevent a politician from becoming a dictator. This includes checks and balances on power, separation of power, and the dynamic between the states and the federal government.
2. Protecting peoples civil rights, including the rights of minorities. Opposing police brutality, protecting free speech, protecting the right of association, protections against illegal search and seizures, etc.
3. The right of people to own firearms, as allowed by the second amendment. This includes minorities and black people, who have the same rights under the Constitution as everyone else.
4. Health care reform. They want health care reform as much as the left does, but they usually disagree on how to reform the health care system. For example, the left usually wants to create a government monopoly, while the right usually wants to break up monopolies and distrusts the government.
5. How to give the power back to the people, since corporations and the elite seem to have taken over this country. Like #4, they agree that things need to change, but often have different ideas on how to change it.
I could go on.
Don't confuse the hateful right with the moderate centrists and right-leaning voters. Most people have the same concerns the left does, but have a different perspective on it. And most people aren't hateful. Maybe misinformed, but not hateful.
Yeah, this is it. There is no moderate conservative anymore. The moderate conservative has become the moderate democrat. The only way republicans win is by strangling human rights and stirring discord.
Try going into a conservative subreddit and argue for any of the things above. You’ll get downvoted to hell or even banned.
Very well put. The general summaries are spot on.
Too frequently are the concepts overlooked and some specific detail (often trivial) becomes the focus and divisive point preventing discussion or understanding.
If your goal is to solve society's problems, you have to listen to everyone, even people you disagree with, in order to identity the underlying problems.
And sometimes you have to read between the lines because they are not politically and economically literate. And unfortunately, that means people often latch onto ideas that sound good to them, but may or may not be a good idea in real life.
For example, some people may blame immigration for their problems. But that is not the real problem. That is just a scapegoat that the politicians use. The real problem is that they are struggling financially, and don't know how to fix it, most likely because someone is taking advantage of them and/or they don't have what they need to be successful.
If you fix their economic problems, and educate them on what the real problems are, they will realize that the immigrants were never the problem. This will reduce the tension and hate, and expose the propaganda for what it is.
But you can't change anyone's minds if you label them as enemies and refuse to listen to them. And you can't solve problems if you can't identify the underlying issues people are concerned with.
You guys seem to love the "How to hate freespeech 101" course.
I think a lot of the responses you're getting (and their upvotes) are pretty good reflections of the problem you're addressing.
I imagine the user base is a bit more diverse than the comments etc let on. It is just exhausting to even try to explain a conservative perspective viewpoint t here so I think a lot of folks just keep their heads down on anything political.
While a lot of folks have zero interest in venturing outside of their ideological comfort zones, I wonder if there sre enough of us that we could make some /community work. There were a few on reddit that were private or super tightly moderated that were pretty interesting for stuff like that...
I'm not sure if there are any socially rightwing people in Lemmy (they would have to be very accepting of things they hate to remain) but there are definitely moderates in the economic stance
Even then, it's only 10% v. 90% from what I've seen, most are fully against private establishments within generally government ran departments
Even if someone did it, it would take a lot of people to move there and for what? I definitely wouldn't go, and I don't really care my opinions about the economy is hated
The thing about the right wing is that it always boils down to the cruelty being the point. People play it up -just- being a difference of opinion like we're talking about whether or not pineapple is good on pizza; when the opinions in question are that brown people are inferior, trans people people don't deserve rights, a woman's life is worth less than a fetus, etc: there's no valuable dialogue to be had. Ban the fucker and don't look back.
The closest thing to valuable dialogue you're going to get with that garbage is the bullshit veneer they slap onto their vitriol to make it easier to sell - the whole white knight bit about protecting babies or bathrooms or some other nonsense that conveniently lands the same outgroups into a bind every single time. If you think any of that shit is in good faith, you've fallen for a trap before the conversation even starts.
Diversity of thought is great, up until we start turning to hatred/bigotry for a fresh perspective. Those are not welcome here, nor should they be anywhere else.
I'd say rightwing is inherently egoistic, far right is what you are talking about.
Both are tiresome when it comes to discussions, one is full of hate, the other lacks compassion.
So yes, what is there to discuss? What "viewpoint" is there to see?
There is enough variance between and within authleft and libleft.
‘Centrist’ and right wing voices belong in the gulag.
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I find it interesting that some people are saying "the right is this" and "conservatives are that" and then saying horrible things most people would be opposed to. How would you know if you never talk to them and just assume what they think?
I think most people assume the extreme right is the entire right, just like most people assume the extreme left is the entire left. It's actually a spectrum. Or more accurately, a Nolan chart.
Most people I know are in the center, and they oppose racial segregation, oppose racism, oppose oppression, oppose monopolies, and oppose corrupt officials. But since they are not communists or socialists, some people on the left lump them in with the far right, which the center doesn't like either.
And if you attack the people in the center by falsely accusing them of being the right, all you are doing is alienating people who might agree with you on a lot of things.
I have spoken to them all, for years. In all shapes and sizes.
They are all driven by fear and tribe mentally. Reality does not matter to them only emotions.
I’m not a communist or socialist btw.
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As opposed to you because you are not tribal and never make emotional decisions.
Reducing people like this is itself an emotional defense mechanism. We are fallible to the things you describe. All political bubbles have people who make this same exact claim about all the other bubbles.
There intelligence in recognizing this. Neither you nor I are in the one true bubble.
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Listen to yourself speak and tweak a couple of words to make it a right winger saying it. Perhaps you might realise how similar you sound.
the entire concept of how liberals react to information is so foreign to me I've spent years trying to figure out if they're lying or are they actually believe it.
Sounds exactly like what I'd read on r/conservative.
Well yeah they’re right into projection but doesn’t make it not true does it?
Is the concept not foreign to you? I’m all ears if so please. How do you deny that your guy tried to steal the election when his own VP came out and said it. Ignoring the fact he done it all out in the open blatant af.
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Moderate conservatives? You’re right they’re normally older techno phobes so I don’t. But I know they didn’t put up much resistance to trumps antics. And many were happy to sacrifice reality to own the libs.
I’ve seen the radicalisation of anti authoritarian spaces by the right wing hate machine in real time though. Ancaps in 2006 terms would be leftists today. Classic liberals with economic backgrounds jumping on the MAGA train after being fed the right fake news memes.
All subconsciously which is the worst thing about it.
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I like science. Science has shown that communism (for proletariat) and neoliberalism (for bourgies) are most effective and I dont see a lot of bourgies here.
Liberalism and stuff are like miasma theory or newton physics, outdated and incorrect.
(I think the left-right stuff is a distraction. Where is communism? On the left with the radlibs? No. On the right with the monarchists? No. There is no sliding scale between liberalism and communism as they are completely incompatible with each other.)
Communism as the praxis (marixism, etc) it’s auth-left whereas the end goal is lib-left (stateless).
Liberalism is auth-centre-right.
They are incompatible because leftism is anti capitalist.
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This is actually misleading, you're getting how statelessness functions for Marxists and inserting the Anarchist goal. That's why you see a misalignment between theory and practice.
The foundations of the Marxist analysis of Capitalism are in its centralizing and socializing character over time through competition. The Marxists want to take this to a higher level, public ownership and central planning. This is not supposed to go away, but continue developing.
The State, for Marxists, is separate from governance. The State are elements of Class Oppression, like "special bodies of armed men" and things like Private Property rights. When all classes are gone, and they will all be gone when all property is in the public sector, the state ceases to have a reason to exist and withers away. This is a global process, you can have socialism in one country but Communism is global.
Marxism in practice operates on these ideas.
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See, this is why the political compass is ruining your own perception of ideology. The goal is not to get "less authoritarian." The goal is to collectivize all Private Property globally, this is the purpose. By folding all property into the public sector, there is the abolition of classes, and the state as a special mechanism of class oppression withers away, ie no private property rights because of no more private property.
Communism, a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society, is a fully centralized system where everything is controlled by a democratic administration. This is the most centralized possible, yet also the most democratic. It doesn't fit on the political compass. The goal isn't to abolish authoritarianism, but classes.
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Everyone. How do you keep the working class capitalist simps in line until classes are abolished?
A counter-economic revolution could be anti-authoritarian. The creation of parallel institutions that bypass and outcompete existing structures.
Marxists are ideologically liblefts the whole way, sure. But through an auth praxis
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Anarchism, "libleft" if you want to call it that, can be seen as more auth than Marxism as it demands immediate ends to any hierarchy whatsoever. They have more "auth" praxis than Marxists.
Seondly, I have no idea what you mean by 'counter-economic," the latter part of that statement describes the Dual Power method employed by the Bolsheviks in creating the first Socialist state though. You called that "authoritarian" though.
See why the compass is worthless?
It doesn’t demand an end to hierarchy not sure what you mean.
Counter economics in the agorist sense.
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The very core of Anarchism is individualism taken to the maximum. The purpose is to eliminate hierarchy, the means, ending formalized hierarchy, aka the state. The core of Marxism is collectivism, and the abolition of classes.
What you describe with agorism is quite "authoritarian." You seek to turn the economic structure inside out and oppress the ruling class. I won't shed any tears, but this is the same mechanism as building dual power with the implementation of Soviet Democracy.
What is it about Marxism that has more "auth" praxis than Anarchism? The Anarchists employed labor camps in Revolutionary Spain, after all, and while the victims were largely fascists and thus deserved it, the fact remains that that fits your definition of authoritarian.
I am telling you to abandon such a method and describe ideologies by what they actually are.
That sounds more like the ancaps. Anarchists want to dismantle all hierarchy not just the state. With various different flavours of solutions of voluntary collectivism.
Agorism is not authoritarian because it doesn’t rely on coercion or centralized power. The goal is to undermine the state and oppressive hierarchies through voluntary counter-economics, not to seize or reverse the mechanisms of control like Soviet Democracy does. It’s about opting out of their system entirely, not “oppressing” the ruling class..any harm they face is the result of losing their ability to coerce others so I’m not sure why you think it’s authoritarian.
Marxist praxis depends on centralized authority, party structures, and coercion to achieve its goals. Historical Marxist revolutions institutionalized these mechanisms long after their revolutions, whereas anarchist praxis, even in Revolutionary Spain, aimed for decentralized power. The labor camps you mentioned were temporary measures during wartime, not inherent. But yeah it’s a spectrum not binary ‘auth or not’, some types of anarchists are more likely to resort to authoritarian measures during the transition. Agorism aims to side-step most of that by building parallel systems.
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No, I mean Anarchists. The commune structure is individualist, not collectivist, it seeks absolute freedom of association and not full collectivization. I am not making a moral case here, this is the fundamental divide between Anachists and Marxists. In order to create such a system, authoritarian means are required, ie revolution regardless of how you coat it. No ruling class will give up authority voluntarily.
Marxists seek to create a fully centralized and democratic structure devoid of classes. This is more democratic than Anarchism, as Anarchists only have influence over their immediate sphere, not the whole globe. Anarchism however offers more direct control over their surroundings, usually.
Put another way, why are you an Anarchist, and not a Marxist?
It’s not ‘full collectivisation’ in the Marxist sense. But many branches like anarcho-communism and anarcho-syndicalism are pretty explicitly collectivist in nature. And most types of anarchism rely on voluntary collectivism to work. Mutual cooperation based on a set of logical accepted principles. Individuals can’t dismantle hierarchy. So I reject the notion it’s individualism to the extreme. It simply rejects enforced collectivisation. Instead emphasising voluntary and decentralised participation.
Anarchists seek to create a fully decentralised and democratic structure devoid of classes. Centralised structures alienate individuals from decision-making and consolidate power at the top, reducing actual democratic participation. Anarchism, while focusing on immediate spheres of influence, fosters direct democracy, ensuring individuals have a meaningful voice in their communities. Federated networks allow for broader cooperation without sacrificing local autonomy. To be truly resilient we need to rebuild from the bottom-up.
So I’m an agorist because I don’t think a classless, stateless society can be achieved through coercive or centralised means. The methods of change have to reflect the desired society, ensuring that the revolution does not replicate the hierarchies it seeks to abolish.
And it seemed like the only praxis where I could make tangible contributions and help push us forward in a world growing increasingly distant from any traditional revolution of the proletariat.
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See, Anarchists can't get rid of classes with a commune focused system, unless they only interact within the commune and do no trade elsewhere. Otherwise, they are all Petite Bourgeoisie, interested in the success of their Commune by their shared stake in only their commune. To extend collectivization and end classes requires a government and administration, which is more Marxist.
Your understanding of Classes is a bit off, I'm a Marxist and you're using a presumably entirely different definition of "class" if that's your understanding. Same with the state, if you don't get rid of classes you retain statist elements.
See where we end up? The Political Compass is entitely useless for any actual understanding of what someone believes, it reinforces liberal notions of ideology. I'm not even trying to debate the validity of Anarchism here, but how to categorize it. I used to be an Anarchist so I'm more sympathetic to y'all than many other Marxists.
I will say, I do think your understanding of Marxism is lacking, so if you want to call it "auth" or if you legitimately think Marxism doesn't unite means and ends (spoiler: it does), then I recommend reading more Marxist theory. I will shamelessly plug my intro reading list, feel free to give it a look.
Capitalism may not be prefect, but I don't like any of the proposed alternatives to capitalism:
Corporatism - I don't like power and money being centralized into corporations. They get wealthy and everyone else gets poor.
Communism (with centrally controlled economy) - I don't like power and money being centralized by party leaders and politicians. They have too much power, which results in abuses. Meanwhile, the elites at the top (unofficially) live rich lifestyles at the expense of the workers at the bottom.
Crony Capitalism (our current sociopolitical economic system) - I don't like the government and corporations colluding against the people. Works like corporatism except the government is helping them.
Laissez-faire Capitalism - Unregulated capitalism leads to abuse, so there needs to be some sort of regulations.
Anarchy - I don't like the strong ruling over the weak. It results in abuses and arrogance.
Dictator, King, Emperor, Single Party Rule, etc. - I don't like any system that gives a single person or group of people nearly unlimited power over everyone else. Any political minority gets stepped on. It also means that you may have a benevolent ruler now, but the next ruler may be malicious.
I'd rather see the break up of big business AND big government, and I would love to see more small private voluntary cooperatives and small businesses and small non-profits. Give the power back to the people, not to big business and big government. People should have choices.
I am not sure if there is a name for that.
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@BrainInABox Yes they are. And those are the bad kinds we all disapprove of.
There is also a kind called stakeholder capitalism, where all of the stakeholders (employees, vendors, consumers, investors, communities, environment, etc.) are all considered. In some countries, such as the U.S., you can even form a public benefit corporation (PBC) which requires you to, by law, to consider all of the stakeholders and also support a public benefit.
There is also cooperative capitalism, where people can form private cooperatives that are owned by the consumers and/or employees, without centralized control by the government or some central corporation. Basically communism, but without the centralized planning and single party rule.
There are many flavors of capitalism. Some of them are toxic. Some of them are not.
@BrainInABox Yes they are. And those are the bad kinds we all disapprove of.
No, I mean they literally synonyms for the same thing, they aren't different "kinds"
stakeholder capitalism. cooperative capitalism
Once again, this is just a synonym for capitalism.
There are many flavors of capitalism. Some of them are toxic. Some of them are not.
No, there's only one flavor, and it's toxic.
Basically communism, but without the centralized planning and single party rule.
Not what communism is.
Someone asked this same question a while ago related to also Linux users present.
Basically seems to come down to techies being mostly left winged more frequently which makes up the vasg majority of Lemmy.
I don't miss the global echo and it's kinda nice to read civil discussions or talks.
Though i dont really focus too much on the political topic or consider people such to make it my concern when I read.
Just generally enjoy the good talks, advice and things like I remember how the internet started when it also had 0 political interest.
I think the problem is in the opposite direction. Society is too ideologically homogeneous in being against socialism. The major narratives are controlled by nation-states and corporations, social media are infested with political advertisement and propaganda.
So, as others say, I believe it is sorta uninformed and middle-of-the-road fallacy to find a corner of the internet where you can speak your mind without being harassed by white supremacist trolls, and say we need more diverse views.
Right wingers have (had) Parlel, Gap, TruthSocial, now they have X, and Facebook, where they were also dominating and harassing in the past. No leftists and/or genderqueer person would survive a day at these platforms.
But Lemmy being primarily/explicitly leftist is the problem, and you suddenly are alarmed for echo chambers. This is not quite fair, now is it.
As for Lemmy per se, I don't think it is too homogeneous. I debate centrists and liberals every other day. And recent discussions showed that the amount of latent transphobia in the site is shocking, with people knowing next to nothing apart from 4chan/MAGA talking points.
How can this happen after all these years of activism and outreach. It is because of the ecosystem of echo chambers in the broader communications and media landscape. This discourse never reached those people.
Considering it was the position of major medical and professional organizations, it shows that the pathology lies with the existing social media and broader media enterprizes, with a prominently selective messaging.
Do I need to say that this led to widespread science-denialism for which mainstream platforms are clearly to blame?
If your inquiry is honest, then the only explanation is that the propaganda apparatus works so well, that the (relative) absence of the dominating narratives makes you anxious that you entered an echo chamber, when in fact you probably have been in an echo chamber so far.
If your inquiry is honest
They claim to be communist but wants more centrists and rightwingers here. It's a clear clue they are not honest.
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We already have people praising Liz Cheney.
You could say "I am noticing a distinct lack of Neo Nazis on Lemmy".
To which I say why change that.
Using Lemmy requires some modicum of understanding in technology. Most conservatives I've encountered tend to be technology-ignorant at best, and technophobic at worst. You don't see as many differing political views on Lemmy cause some/most conservatives are too inept at technology or can't be bothered to figure it out.
Reddit was just easier to get into, and as much as I personally like Lemmy, it's a hard sell to some from the outset. If the signup could be simplified (which I understand federation and why it can't be that easy), we could see an influx of more outdated viewpoints on the platform.
I also agree with others who have stated that most "conservative" philosophy involves denying rights to those who have only recently (last 50 years or so) been afforded rights equal to their own. I'm also growing increasingly suspicious of how much lead was actually used in the products consumed by boomers and some Gen-x before its use was known and most of it banned or removed from products. It seems too many in their late 40+ are going from normal human being with empathy towards others to RAGING MAGA CONSPIRACIST, seemingly overnight.
I think this is the case, yes. From my pov the technical ability to block others and defederate leads to this left leaning trend. This is the only place I know that is really left leaning.
But the important part here is: the distinction between left and right is arbitrary. There is no left and right. There are certain beliefs and ideas which usually get attributed towards left or right.
The idea of freedom - in most of the world - isnt really left or right, or at least used to be.
Especially the fascist turn of the us, the fascist turn of germany and others are a sign of the world turning, not lemmy.
Because freedom, flow of ideas and identity are still typical topics on lemmy. Same as they used to be. I think the right wing nuts just left since they are more welcome on xitter and fascbook.
Is that good for critical discourse? No.
Can we change it? No idea.
Should we change it? No idea.
I find circles around .world to be more liberal and not leftist. (Not that there aren't any on .world... Just leans that way)
There's not much in terms of right wing spaces but tbh I'm uh, completely fine with that.
Liberals largely came during the Reddit fiascos
Even before there were several instances like beehaw or sopuli regularily coming out with shitlib takes (and they still are, some comments below in this thread there is a sopuli user whitewashing nazism and alluding genocide denial).
This meme basically:
To OP's point tho, I think the fediverse is a lot more ideologically diverse than reddit or other corporate platforms. The fact that you can say something positive about the Palestinian resistance without getting banned, or say something positive about a country on the US-enemy list, is a testament to that diversity.
Sure, there are many servers on the fediverse that are anti-communist, and orientalist / western supremacist, and block leftist ones, copying reddit's moderation policy. But on the US-run corporate platforms(FB, reddit, twitter, bluesky), you aren't given any option: that's a non-negotiable default that you must accept. Here you can always join a server that's willing to federate with leftist ones, and is okay with ideological diversity, even if you don't consider yourself one.
Its not just about not getting banned, its also that were not dogpiled by Zionists calling us anti Semites (for the most part).
Those people seemed to give up once they realized no one was paying attention to their flameposting outside of the fediverse. The media doesn't pick up on it (which is what they really want) unless you're on one of the corporate social media sites where they can leverage their legal/monetary powers to amplify/silence the discussion per their will.
The GULAGs were not "death camps." The misconception of them being as such largely stems from WWII, when the Nazis stormed the Ukranian SSR and in taking it cut off the bulk of food production from the rest of the USSR. This led to prisoners getting less food than citizens, and many starving to death. Outside of wartime, prisons in the GULAG system were not especially deadly. Consider reading Russian Justice to learn more.
Secondly, fascism and Communism are polar opposites and in no way comparable. I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds to read a critical overview of the USSR and how fascism and Communism are entirely antagonistic, and served different classes.
It provides alternative opportunities for advancing beyond traditional schooling which would've been a slow burn if it was only public schooling that was present
It also leads to more competitive practices whether it's studying or teaching alternative sectors to children earlier than public schools would
In nations with limited budgets it also means it's the only option for studying opportunities, where if removed it would essentially mean that education would be worse than subpar
But, taken to an extreme, this would lead to places like USA which gave too much power to private institutions
What I want is a mix, give and take, force those who take the money to actually use it well and give my children, my nephew's or those brought in with scholarships to prosper, but also allow for public institutions to benefit by having them adopt practices, make better use of funds and also incentivise cooperation
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Lemmy.ml being extremely broadly federated but removing rule-breaking comments: scary and bad
Lemmy.world defederating Marxist-aligned instances so no one on those instances can ever offer input: wholesome and liberal
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Where are you getting "1 in 5?" That number far exceeds any historian's numbers for incarceration rates for Soviet prisons by a factor of 10 for the highest estimates, both while the GULAG administration existed and the post-GULAG system.
Secondly, again, Communism and fascism are in no way comparable. Communism ultimately served the Proletariat, who enjoyed free healthcare, education, a doubling of life expectancy, over tripling of literacy rates to near 100% (higher than the US and Western Europe), ended famine, democratized the economy, and more. Fascism on the other hand developed systems of industrialized murder, destroyed working class organization, and found vast riches for the Bourgeoisie. They are entirely incomparable, and to do so is actually fascist apologia. Equating the two originated as a form of intentional holocaust minimization, a form of genocide denial.
No, no Communist system has been perfect, but to compare them to the Nazis is clearly wrong to the highest order. Again, read Blackshirts and Reds, the entire purpose is to debunk such a notion. As for Soviet prisons, read Russian Justice.
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@Teknevra
I'm not a part of Lemmy, but I will say this: There are some people with whom reasonable dialog is just not possible. Speaking only for myself, I choose not to engage. That does not mean I'm not aware of what they are saying or thinking. It means that I am drawing a healthy boundary for myself.
Your feelings about it are valid. You should absolutely seek out more mixed spaces, if that is what you want to do.
Cheers!
I enjoy Lemmy because I get a lot of the other perspectives in my day to day work life, and I like coming to this place to read and engage with people who share my views and ideas on topics. 🤷🏼♀️ Maybe that is pretty close to an echo chamber, but it is what I am seeking after spending every work day with conservatives.
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If every thread/comment w/e not following the trend gets censored or w/e else, it's not a diverse website and more likely propaganda/echo chamber.
Yeah this mirrors my approach to it.
People can like Trump/Musk or dream of Marxism in practice. I am so far from both ideologies that I find it difficult to relate to either, and end up being called a traitor by the left and a triggered lib/loser by the right. Lemmy is in my experience quite left.
The political differences have become so extreme that I just avoid any debate at all and stick to the technical stuff and hobbies. My sanity is more important to me than trying to convince someone over the pond that they are wrong.
Honestly, I just try to live my life as the best person I can be. I’ve gotten to old to try to change anyone else. And I have had some great encounters here, so I am not going back to Reddit anytime soon.
Stay awesome, people!
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I have been saying a number of times over the course of my time here, that I think the "echo chamber"-ness of Lemmy is by design.
Each instance is moderated by a different team of people who run their server under a different philosophy. You can see clearly in this thread many from the lemmy.ml instance express mild disdain for "liberals", whereas other instances like lemmy.world and lemm.ee don't hold such animosity to that collective extent, but admins hold other expectations for what should be the norm. The way I view the Fediverse is that it's a collection of echo chambers, which within them help foster discussion between like-minded individuals. However these are networked with each other so you can wander outside that bubble to other instances when you feel like it. You also have control to block groups and instances you don't vibe with.
I know some instance moderation policies remove posts and comments that go far against the grain, but in other instances, unpopular takes just get super downvoted but left for people to see.
obligatory reminder that us-american domestic politics are so skewed to the right that what appears "moderate" in the usa is right to far-right anywhere else
your "liberals" are right-wing
your "conservatives" are right-wing
both are liberals
I would say that what is considered "liberal" in the US is more "center-right".
Your comment leaves no room for nuance, and anyone who has paid attention to US politics at all for the past 2+ decades knows that there is a massive gulf between how Democrats govern vs. Republicans. Anyone who suggests otherwise is full of shit.
I hate how it feels like I have to defend Democrats on this site, because they are pretty shit as a party, and yes they are liberal.
democrats are enthusiastic supporters of US imperialism and neoliberalism. they're right wing. end of story
the only difference between republicans and democrats is that they sell US imperialism to different portions of the population. republicans are more honest about their intentions, but if there were only republicans, that would risk massive revolts from the more progressive-leaning portion of the population. this is why the democratic party exists: it allows the us govt to sell the same underlying project with a different face that's more appealing to the average progressive voter
edit: to really drive my point home ask yourself: what is the official stance of the democratic party regarding free and public healthcare, free and public education (including higher education), progressive taxation, public transportation, labor legislation (especially regarding maternity leave), etc? not what some more left-leaning factions of the party say, i mean the actual official party stance. because these are absolutely uncontroversial among the left-leaning parties worldwide
Yeah, this is the shit I'm talking about. You're clueless.
If you lived in the US, you would understand, on a very real, tangible level, the difference between living in a state with a Republican governor vs. one with a Democratic governor. Or for those in big cities, a Republican mayor vs. a Democratic mayor.
Any person older than 30 in the US that is not all of the following: white, cis-gendered, heterosexual, will tell you just how wrong you are.
You make leftists look bad, and I wish you'd stop. Use some critical thought. Recognize nuance. Don't let ideology cause you to ignore objective reality.
"less" right wing is still right wing
i've been made aware of how miserable living in a red state is. but being not as rabidly misogynistic and racist as republicans doesn't make the dems "not right wing". implementing better domestic policies doesn't either. at the end of the day, both parties represent the interests of corporations, will implement austerity measures that widen your already massive wealth gap, and will make sure the us-american empire keeps the rest of the planet in a stranglehold
edit: as for you saying i'm ignoring reality, again, i'm aware republicans are worse for you, but i need you usians to truly grasp the reality that, unlike most other democracies, your two major parties are right-wing and ultimately uphold the same project. any right-wing politician for europe or latin america would feel at home in the democratic party
If you lived in the US, you would understand, on a very real, tangible level, the difference between living in a state with a Republican governor vs. one with a Democratic governor.
And if you lived outside the US, you would understand that it doesn't make a difference if the bombs leveling your city are painted red or blue, and the minor difference in domestic policy between the two factions of the genocidal empire really don't matter to the people you're exterminating.
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The differences between the two are NOT minor, but I support your second point completely.
Or foreign policy families have been staggering, no matter who has occupied the White House.
I get what you're saying. We have been very fortunate here, but that has been the limit of our lived experience, so to us, it is not minor. In the big picture, you are correct.
Except in the big picture, they're not entirely correct. There is a valid point to be made there (that US imperialism is awful, and it has caused immeasurable harm to countless people).
But when we are talking about something as valuable as human life, I think it's important that we understand nuance and context.
US foreign policy, and how we project ourselves to the rest of the world, is not the same regardless of which party is in charge. It's just not.
I'm not defending Democrats' foreign policy in any way, I am just acknowledging reality.
That person seems only interested in demonizing the US. So they start with the conclusion (US is bad), and then seemingly form their entire worldview around that.
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I know you love to get to make a snarky reply, but no.
You are in for a rude awakening.
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No, I understand. I understand that, as an American, you only experience American foreign policy in how the administration's framing of it makes you feel. I understand that the comforting lies and platitudes of the Democrats make you feel better than the blunt cruelty of the Republicans. I also understand that you are unable to conceptualize the idea of perspectives and experience outside of that of Americans.
Also, what's this "you're about to learn!" shit? The last Republican administration (the last Trump administration even!) was only four years ago, and it's foreign policy was exactly the same as every other administration.
Lol, some of us were alive and old enough to remember Obama's foreign policy mistakes. Cool.
The world is not black and white. There are levels, and things like intentions and soft power are very important. How we use that soft power, how we posture ourselves on the world stage, etc.
We are also talking about a completely different level of fascism/authoritarianism that is about to take complete control of all aspects of our federal government. This is not the same Republican party as Reagan, or even GWB... The GOP then was awful, but they were working towards this. This is the endgame. This is what they've been working toward for decades.
It is going to be a complete shit show.
Reason and Science has always a left leaning bias. Simply because Nature doesn't give a shit about individual feelings or if someone believes if homosexuality is wrong. Nature does it's thing an humans who accept and understand this are not left-leaning but normal.
Corporate Social Media is manipulated like hell to shift the bias. That's it.
Reading this thread, i think lemmy has a real problem. There sre a few comments that appear centrist or left-leaning, but the majority of comments are extremely left.
I'm not asking for neo-nazis or far right, just more centrist opinions like in this thread
That is not what .ml stands for... not even close. There you get blocked for critical comments on china (in the memes sub.. not even an CCCP echo chamber).
What you said is mostly true... not on your .ml instance. That instance is cooked by chinese nationalists...
Hearing from "both sides" and coming to some compromise/middle ground only works if the following is true:
- Both parties are acting in good faith.
- The viewpoints expressed are close enough that they don't require a total departure from one's current viewpoint.
- The disputed topic doesn't have a obvious or clear correct answer.
The problem is, at least in the US, none of these are true for right wingers and even many "centrists."
You cannot talk to somebody and try to find common ground if they don't believe in statistical studies by government agencies, they don't believe in scientific studies by major universities and research institutions, and don't care about the rights and protections for minority groups.
The older members of my family are almost all conservatives, MAGA supporters, and fundamentalist Christians.
They genuinely believe that Evolution is a myth and the Earth was created 6000 years ago. They believe that illegal immigrants are invading this country and that Democrats are secretly allowing them to. They don't believe humans have any effect on climate change. They don't think Covid was anything more than a common cold that the government used as an excuse to try to control people. They don't believe in vaccines.
I find Lemmy to be very refreshing. I get news from a diverse collection of Leftists sources. Anarchists, statists, weak socialists like the AOC/Bernie types, government studies, independent guerrilla journalists, Communists, Mutualists, Marxists, etc.
But I have no interest in further "diversifying" by adding right wing "sources."
Cookies can taste good with many different ingredients, but no cookie tastes good with horse poop.
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I could not agree more.
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Conservatives can quite frankly go somewhere else.
Their policies are terrible and the only redeeming qualities of most countries we live in are socialist.
Lemmy should reflect the actual political spectrum which is (IMO) Social Democrats on the far right and Tankies on the far left.
There doesn't seem to be a tradition of dog-piling people who wrong-think according to the group consensus
I think I've been in different threads then, because most posts that aren't the majority opinion around here gets heavily discouraged by downvotes and/or replies.
- There appears to be a lack of “centrist”, non-political, or right-wing voices (and I don’t mean extreme MAGA-type views, but rather more moderate conservative positions).
I see plenty of them. They're just mostly on other instances to me (like your home instance).
Furthermore, while it's tempting to see the 'left' and 'right' as equivalent mirrors needing to be balanced for diversity, the reality is far from it. After seeing Wolfballs in action (that instance died before the reddit API fiasco), I can tell you we don't need to be balanced out by 'white genocide' discussions and more open anti-semitism. I know that's not what you proposed, but it's to illustrate that sometimes there isn't value in arbitrary balancing the 'left' and 'right' on these websites.
is it a natural result of Lemmy’s community-driven nature?
It's also a result of Lemmy's history and appeal. When reddit went on sprees of deleting subreddits, the right-wing hate groups made their own reddit clones, anarchists typically went to Raddle, and when GenZedong and ChapoTrapHouse went down, they went to Lemmygrad.ml (as a result, it became the largest instance) and created Hexbear respectively. So there is a long history of larger communist communities from day one which was the status quo until the reddit API fiasco.
The Fediverse also tends to attract anarchists and other socialists by the appeal of its decentralized nature, along with a few right-libertarians who see it as an anti-censorship tool. So one could say there's a bias there.
How might we encourage more diverse political perspectives while still maintaining a respectful and inclusive environment?
That's tough, because you inherently limit which political perspectives you can encourage.
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It is just an extension of the "Paradox of Tolerance."
It is not a paradox at all, it's just intolerance that doesn't deserve a platform.
the Nazis stormed the Ukranian SSR and in taking it cut off the bulk of food production from the rest of the USSR. This led to prisoners getting less food than citizens, and many starving to death.
Not fun fact: at the same time nazis were murdering so many people in USSR that comparing to the gulags: USSR lost nearly 14% of population and the average gulag mortality rate during the war was probably around 10%. Meaning being in the gulag was statistically safer than being outside during the war (statistically because for example people in Siberia were safe from nazis while Belarussian SSR lost one third of entire population).
Also yet another comparison, in Russian Empire before revolution katorga (forced labour) had usually over 40% mortality.
Cuba is in a rough patch right now, but it isn't about to collapse, and the ruling class is the working people.
As for the PRC, they have a Dictatorship of the Proletariat, and have been working through Socialism. I think you have a different idea of what a class is, I am working off of the Marxist definitions and things like "oligarch class" aren't a thing, same with "manager class."
Classless society only existed in tribal society, but that doesn't mean we can't get to a fully collectivized global economy and eliminate classes.
As a leftist myself (communist)
Very, how do you do fellow kids energy from this comment.
I don't think I've ever interacted with a communist who would be upset about a lack of reactionaries in their spaces, they'd be relieved to have a place free of them and their ignorance and hate.
And the fact you think that "centrists" and "right-wing" are somehow not extremists (but this made up special category of MAGA which by the way is most conservatives in the US and in a lot of the world somehow is) tells me you are politely not really politically literate.
Liberals are reactionary enough in their excuse for genocide, you think for some reason we need space for not only them but the people who want to take away rights from trans people, who want to kill trans kids, who want to make women second class citizens, who are incredibly racist, war-mongering, anti-science, etc?
As much as I align with many of the views expressed here, I wonder if we’re missing out on valuable dialogue and perspective by not having a more diverse range of political opinions represented.
You can get that literally anywhere else offline or online, especially your home instance. You're not from a leftist instance but from the most reddit-brained, centrist neo-lib instance.
This is false equivalence, the idea that the left is too extreme and needs balancing with the right. Please just accurately identify your politics or don't bother mentioning them as we can easily guess them from a post like this.
The Alphabet Boys are tired of lurking in the shadows. They have Trump (and more) dead to rights on 10,000 times worse shit then what is public and they sit on their hands.
The intelligence community wants what is coming. Do not hesitate to judge them as they have already judged you.
Your Facebook profile is probably uploaded to some automated killing machine already for purging. Someone just needs to execute the program.
From your post it's pretty safe to assume that you're part of the lefties that are crying over meta dropping censorship against misinformation for community notes
want to take away rights from trans people, who want to kill trans kids, who want to make women second class citizens, who are incredibly racist, war-mongering, anti-science, etc?
Yet here you blatantly spread misinformation...
No idea how one would address that
Crush them with the bipartisan police state of course!
You seem sad that others are voicing their struggles to survive. A choice you personally make by not blocking people that voice their experiences with capitalism.
Block them. Ignore their pleading into the void. All is well. Nothing to see here. Move along. Pay your rent. Pay your health insurance premium. Invest in the stock market. Pickup this can.
We are doing fine. Don't overthink lemmy.
People go where they want, Block what they will. Share what they share.
What else do you need? We aren't driven by shareholders to infinitely grow. Instances/communities/users will come and go, but lemmy is forever. It's just going to get better from here till we get a "TikTok ban" from big brother. Enjoy the ride.
That wasn’t a “fun” fact at all
Yes, that's horrible, that's why i wrote it as a "Not fun fact"
There appears to be a lack of "centrist", non-political, or right-wing voices (and I don't mean extreme MAGA-type views, but rather more moderate conservative positions).
TBF, they don't exist.
They're might be some that on appearance hold reasonable views that are considered centrist /moderate conservative but if their privilege is questioned or their fragile egos get scuffed, they always and invariably go full on far right.
Their moderate views are just a veneer that are held to appear as such and never stand up to pressure.
Participating in this thread had left me feeling like lemmy is much more of an echo chamber than what I thought before.
I like being disagreed with on occasion, but don't feel like anyone really listened here. That is very internet but also pretty concerning.
If I saw serious attempts anywhere from right-wingers to advocate for their views as an actual political philosophy I'd be more concerned by this. But we need spaces where people actually discuss how to build a better society, and simply because of that concern these spaces lean left. It's rare to find right-wingers who are even seriously interested in that question, except as a pretext to vent their unexamined prejudices and personality issues.
If, on internet forums, you push for everyone to have equal say even when their views are not well considered, everyone's energy gets used up arguing with the most offensive right-wing posters. I think it's a good thing to have spaces where that isn't how it goes. As for centrists, I think there's a place for engaging with them because there's more of a chance that they just haven't examined their views but can be brought to. But I'm not going to miss them if they're so put off by a left-leaning space that they won't participate, and I don't think every left space needs to spend its time arguing with liberals.
Frankly, my view of the right wing these days is that there's no particular need to treat a mishmash of selfishness, greed, lust for power, deceit, gullibility, ignorance, insecurity and hatred as if it's a political philosophy at all. Left versus right isn't a helpful picture. Serious vs unserious would be a better one. If someone has serious arguments for a right-wing position made in good faith, then they're not just wasting people's time. But that's not usually what you see, and I suspect it's because there's a lack of serious arguments to be made for it.
I don't miss the right-wing voices. For the most part they just dominate, disrupt and obstruct serious discussion. That said, it's important we don't forget how unrepresentative our online discussions are of society as a whole, and how little impact merely talking about them here has.
Yes, exactly this.
It’s rare to find right-wingers who are even seriously interested in that question, except as a pretext to vent their unexamined prejudices and personality issues.
Because those that actually are interested in that question end up moving to the left when they see the "answers" that the right has to offer.
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I'm not interested in that.
Personally, I don't buy this echo chamber shit. Before social media, you choose your spaces and your company and did not have to put up with random jackasses butting into your conversations to tell you how much they hate gay people or whatever.
The abnormal thing is this expectation that we're all supposed to meet in the middle with any asshole at all times. I'm happy with a townhall meeting once in a while but I don't want to or need to put up with bigots and people who are otherwise socio-politically the opposite of me on a daily basis.
I want to be in the company of people that don't make me feel like shit and who I can see eye to eye with. That's not being closed minded or wanting an echo chamber, that's normal.
Election time was so irritating, Lemmy basically reigned in Harris as the next messiah; I had to end up blocking political keywords to make it usable. Kamala Harris is an absolute joke and the DNC is an even bigger joke. I remember seeing one post where someone basically claimed she has a spotless political career and I'm just thinking, 😮💨, really?
The problem with left leaning individuals on the internet is we have a lot of drive and conviction behind our ideas which is a good thing, but that should translate into real life activism or doing something that will combat the current political system and promote change. But we are beaten down since that's basically a total pipe dream, we realize what the problem is and feel powerless to fix it. What's
Now, whats a good way to regain some of the power over your "opponents"? Silence their opinion, whether that be outright censorship or in other ways that are antithetical to getting the point across.
The American political system has us fighting amongst one another to keep people distracted from who is really fucking everyone up the ass daily. And it continues to work. We need to stop this petty squabbling and use all this wasted energy on something useful that could actually bring us together, like maybe instead of just browsing social media all day, you could go out in to the real world.
I am left-leaning and live in a predominantly conservative area. Very red. When I go out, people usually don't just randomly talk about Trump all day, that's just not reality. Most people dont make their political views their entire personality. I hear way more about Trump from social media than I am ever do from people in real life. And I assure you, I don't seek it out.
You have way more in common with the other side than you realize. Social media allows the worst aspects of peoples personality to come out since you don't have to look at a human being in front of you that has feelings, goals, beliefs, dreams, et al. just like you do. Have some god damn compassion and maybe try to understand why people on the other side have come to the conclusions they have, instead of throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Election time was so irritating, Lemmy basically reigned in Harris as the next messiah
You must have been using a different site than me. My experience was the opposite. Just a flood of bullshit to convince people not to vote for her (or not to vote).
I’ll offer this thought…
When I used to discuss politics with someone who viewed policy from the perspective of a different political party say 25-30 years ago, I would say 90-95% of what we wanted to see happen in the country was exactly the same. The differences were in how we wanted to get there.
Unfortunately, today I don’t think that the views align much any more. The views have diverged, and at least on the right, they have become extreme to the point of openly courting fascism, government capture by the oligarchy, and the masses supporting this don’t care about the consequences so long as they think they have a punitive moral victory over their opponents. The left isn’t really the left anymore, and I’m not sure what they want for the country. I don’t think they know either. They seem more interested in inclusivity than they do in actually making economic policy benefitting anyone under the upper middle class level.
All that said, I have yet to encounter one single instance of a conservative view on lemmy that wasn’t radical and antagonistic. I have also encountered far left views that were also radical and antagonistic. Far more hard left views than right, perhaps because there are so many hard left views the right stays away.
I don’t have the answer to what would increase the breadth of political content in Lemmy discussions, but the highly polarized and emotional views of politics along with internet anonymity isn’t really a recipe for balanced discussion. We haven’t even touched on organized propaganda deliberately pushing inflammatory posts and lies that incite reactionary and extreme views in return.
lol posting this on the most notoriously censored instance, on a platform intentionally removed from the fediverse for this very reason.
Echo chambers are the flavour of lemmy. Think wrong is quickly censored.
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So far it looks samey.
You sure you’re a leftist? I see more leftism allowed to exist on Lemmy than other platforms, but the majority of it certainly leans neoliberal.
Try criticizing NATO or the Democrats in Lemmy communities. See how fast the powermods and groupthink kick in to put a stop to it.
But of course the rightwing stuff gets targeted, too. The mods here seem keen to mirror the narrow pro-neoliberal Reddit viewpoint of what is acceptable speech. Anything beyond that will result in a strike against the user or instance.
ETA: just got banned from another Lemmy.world community for pointing out the original NATO commanders were Nazis. There you have it.
Try criticizing NATO or the Democrats in Lemmy communities. See how fast the powermods and groupthink kick in to put a stop to it.
That's on lemmy.world and lemm.ee
lemmy.ml and a few others are more pro-left
As a leftist myself (communist), I generally enjoy the content and discussions on Lemmy.
I have yet to hear anyone irl that identifies as left that actually wants to hear what the right has to say.
Right now it's all hate and bigotry. Which has no place in society as far as I'm concerned.
The only people I've seen concerned with people Hering out the right, are people on the right. "Centrists" are just right wing sympathizers.
So yes, I don't think they're actually left leaning.
I agree with the comment your replying to. It's very fellow kids. It's not how most people on the left talk.
Note: not the person you replied to.
There's a lot of stuff written on this topic, but I haven't seen this mentioned yet: there are conservative instances on Lemmy, as a platform. Most of them are widely defederated, not necessarily for the views of the majority (though in some cases, yes), but because of asshats deliberately causing trouble.
Unfortunately, this is also a product of a wider shift in discourse by the right (understood in a North American context), which appeals mostly to edgelords rather than the (rapidly shrinking, already shrunk to the point of irrelevance/non-existence one could argue) thinking, at least ostensibly humanistic conservative.
There's self-selection in action here. Which makes sense, even if I also find it troubling (there are people who can be reasoned with drowned out by Nazi assholes, who are willing to hear people out on the not-Nazi stuff, give positive reinforcement and with it a home to get radicalized).
I don't have a good answer, and if I did I'd probably be up for a Nobel Prize given how wide and damaging the problem is. It ain't just here - it's pretty much anywhere anyone expresses any idea. I just happen to like this side of the Threadiverse much more, so it's where I hang out.
Only real hope is meatspace, imo. And even then, not everyone has the privilege to engage this way in meatspace without a direct risk to their personal safety (see POC, our trans brothers and sisters, LGTBQ+ folks, etc.).
Since my (leftist) instance is blocked, OP probably can't even read this comment.
That irony aside, although I disagree that federated Lemmy as a whole is homogenous, it's only natural that an alternative social network would skew away from the mainstream, and that instances would be relatively homogenous internally.
I believe this is by design, but to expect something else is unrealistic. The only options for Lemmy would be for it to be either further left or further right than Reddit. And there are a couple fascist instances, though they are blocked.
Since my (leftist) instance is blocked, OP probably can’t even read this comment.
That's lemmy.world for ya
I'm not in the US so that's your first fuck up.
Secondly, the misused 'they're' was me not proofreading autocorrect too closely while I was on the train this morning.
You are an insufferable elitst bore.
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Thank you! This is how I have felt, as an American, for a very long time!
The BIGGEST issue we have here, IMO, is APATHY. So many Americans "don't watch the news" or "didn't like to talk about politics" or can't handle anything being talking about the weather and other bland topics. I find it depressing and annoying.
I have noticed this trend. On the one hand, "Truth has a liberal bias" has always been true. If a community is geared towards truth and evidence, like as not it will lean left. There is copious evidence for this, for any random topic.
On the other hand, it has resulted in a lot of "I downvote complexity" behavior, which is, in my view, problematic. It is very easy to take stances of ideological purity online, and behave as if any recognition of greater complexity is EVIL!!1! I see this again and again. This is a way to make your ideological movement irrelevant and unworkable.
As much as folks decry the rigor of the MAGA right, where fealty to Trump is the only virtue, the Progressive left exhibits the exact same rigor, the exact same intolerance for deviation from its allies. Both Progressives and MAGAts see this as a virtue, but it very much is not: it locks you into a worldview that eliminates important complexity and any ability to see things from alternate perspectives. If you have a belief that your perspective is the only correct one, then the vast majority of the time, you're wrong.
The only Adults in the Room are we Enlightened Centrists.
I don't consider myself leftist or rightist. I flip both ways on different issues and the middle on other things.
How ever Lemmy is becoming less tolerant of jokes and any view that doesn't line up with a moderator's view on the world.
It took a long time for me to get a ban but it's happened a couple times now.
Admittedly they're from .ml
Though some more left leaning communities have gone full on dog like as though it's Reddit
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There are many posts preaching for the choir, but I wouldn't call it an echo chamber.
It's more like a dead sound chamber where the ideas dies in agreement. It doesn't bounce off the walls or resonate. It's already there so no answer is required.
Lemmy would benefit from more users playing the devil's lawyer, but I think it's too small for anyone to use their main profile for that, and alt-accounts would quickly get blocked or banned.
Actual users with opposing views wouldn't be of much help. Politics isn't very nuanced these days. It's not red or blue, left or right or whatever. It's polarized into a new duality: Those that give a shit and those who are proud idiots. Lemmy is on the good side of this and will not benefit from being more accepting of idiots.
We all see it and if you downvote me for pointing this out - you are lying to yourself.
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Downvoted
(Secretly I did not downvote you. Hehehe. My devilish nature cannot be contained)
No, instead of putting them to death, they worked them to death. If they survived, they might get their freedom... and be watched by the KGB for the rest of their lives.
Also, to be fair, you have to look at specific time periods in Soviet and Russian history. Under some leaders, it was a very harsh prison sentence. Under other leaders, it was much worse.
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- It's a mindset thing. The more you interact with others positively while disagreeing, the better things will get. This only applies to reasonable disagreements.
- People will learn more, but people will be wrong more. Unchecked political diversity drives away normal takes. No political diversity makes people afraid to voice disagreement.
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This is such a strange take to me.
I was on the broader fediverse for a year or so before lemmy took off, and I got used to the very strong left leaning environment I found there, where compassion for your impact on the people around you was built in to the norms of many of the communities. I wasn't used to it, but I was so glad to have found it.
And then lemmy happened. And unlike the rest of the fediverse, which was largely populated by people escaping twitter because it had been taken over by a fascist, the lemmy population was largely people escaping reddit because they could no longer use 3rd party apps. And the difference in ideology between those two groups is night and day.
To me, the broader fediverse feels left wing and comfortable. Lemmy feels centrist, where half of my time as an admin is banning trolls and bigots spreading hate.
tl;dr - Your definition of leftist is not my definition of leftist.
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It must be so nice being an anti-communist, you can just say what ever made up bullshit comes into your head and expect people to believe you.
It must be so nice being an anti-communist, you can just say what ever made up bullshit comes into your head and expect people to believe you.
That's them being an elitist prick, full of English exceptionalism.
You could look through their previous comments and probably find that they invariably wear the badge of "political moderate" but their world view based around their superiority seeps through eventually.
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for what is essentially uncharted territory.
Neoliberalism has been very well explored for the last 45 years and has failed. It is a dead ideeology that needs to be assigned to the dustbin of history as a terribly shit idea.
I’m not in the US so that’s your first fuck up.
Secondly, the misused ‘they’re’ was me not proofreading autocorrect too closely while I was on the train this morning.
You are an insufferable elitist bore.
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Исследования, проведенные когнитивным ученым Нобуюки Каваи в Университете Нагои, показывают, что приматы, такие как обезьяны, обладают врожденной способностью быстро идентифицировать змей, причем чешуя служит важным визуальным сигналом. В экспериментах с японскими макаками, которые никогда не встречали настоящих рептилий, обезьяны реагировали значительно быстрее на изображения змей, чем на саламандр. Примечательно, что когда изображения саламандр были изменены, чтобы включать змеиную кожу, время реакции макак совпадало с временем реакции на настоящих змей, что указывает на важность чешуйчатой текстуры. Эта находка поддерживает идею о том, что приматы эволюционировали с визуальной системой, специально настроенной на идентификацию змей как механизма выживания. Предыдущие исследования показали, что как взрослые, так и маленькие дети быстро реагируют на формы, похожие на змей, что подтверждает концепцию эволюционной адаптации. Исследование предполагает, что способность распознавать змей жизненно важна для выживания, так как змеи представляют собой значительную угрозу для человека, вызывая примерно 94 000 смертей ежегодно. Даже младенцы в возрасте семи месяцев также демонстрируют мозговые реакции на змей, подчеркивая потенциальное общее устройство в мозгах людей и приматов. Работа Каваи, опубликованная в Scientific Reports, способствует нашему пониманию эволюции зрения и мозга в отношении угроз, представляемых змеями. Исследование открывает новые возможности для дальнейшего изучения того, как эти инстинкты могут проявляться у людей.
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А вот и конспирология про Mastodon подъехала!
> The ability of user to migrate without friction, loss of connection and so on, would undermine the power of the mastodon owner class. The technical hurdles are excuses for not granting users this level of autonomy to simply escape the influence of their instance owner and their delegates (moderators).
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Ну что, сучечки модераторские, чувствуете как вас раскрыли, да?
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Когда сам для себя любимого не можешь сделать сервер и хранить свои картинки там.
Понимаю, что не все это могут сделать. Но проблема миграции скорее всего в том, что люди хранят разную информацию на сервере. И если переносить эту информацию, то наверно сервер может просто встать из-за нагрузки. Но не факт.
Лишь предположение.
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Верно мыслишь.
Например, для моего аккаунта, вероятно из-за его объёма, сейчас процедура выгрузки бекапа просто не работает (CC @dump_stack).
А тут надо разработать безопасный и надёжный механизм передачи данных между инстансами в недоверенной среде. Желательно чтобы его ещё нельзя было эксплуатировать для создания фейков путешествующих во времени и прочих подобных штук. Короче говоря, это только с виду совсем простая задача. Она не невозможная, но на неё нужны ресурсы. А мы сами недавно видели, что только недавно Mastodon начал искать отдельного фронтендера для улучшения UI/UX на фуллтайм 🤷
Они там от голода не умирают, но и не шикуют - задач больше, чем рук.
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В "Омон Ра" Виктор Пелевин сформулировал великий и практически не ржавеющий с течением времени тезис: страна наша живет исключительно отражаясь в глазах коллективного Запада. И единственный самолет вынуждает летать вдоль границы, чтобы иностранцы видели нашу авиационную мощь, и заключенные прыгают, чтобы имитировать ядерный взрыв, и офицеров в медведей наряжают, чтобы иноземному гостю поохотиться всласть.
Вот и самому Виктору нашему Олеговичу пришлось обрести новую степень существование, наконец, отразившись в глазах исследователя из большого мира. Софи Пинкам написала о нем для газеты The Guardian длиннейший и интереснейший лонгрид, умный, уважительный и при этом совершенно безжалостный. Среди цитируемых - Наталья Ломыкина, Анастасия Завозова и ваша покорная слуга.
The mysterious novelist who foresaw Putin’s Russia – and then came to symbolise its moral decay - the Guardian
Victor Pelevin made his name in 90s Russia with scathing satires of authoritarianism. But while his literary peers have faced censorship and fled the country, he still sells millions. Has he become a Kremlin apologist?
иронично. Пелевин, живущий в России, пишущий на русском языке, получивший известность тридцать лет назад, и вдруг "ах, мы его заметили, до этого он был никто" 😀
Пелевина знаю. Про вас не слышал. Жалкая попытка.
>Галина, так-то известный литературный критик и медиаперсона, до-СВО эпохи
Ого! НИЧЕГО СЕБЕ
Пелевина у нас в семье три поколения читали а про Галину я завтра забуду.
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Почему-то он вообще не видит текст статей на OpenNet
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а под вейландом такое в принципе хрен сделаешь...
ну, если есть доступ к стороне композитора - можно
по сути, вейланд диктует только как гонять буферы, что там с ними делает композитор ему без разницы
если кому-то припрется сделать API для такой дури (или встроить в композитор), то оно будет работать
@halva конечно, только эта дурь будет своей у каждого из....четырех(???) композиторов
ну да
или можно прицепить к этому систему прав, оформить это в документ и предложить в качестве стандартного протокола, потратить несколько лет на его формирование и тогда у большинства наверное будет стандартный метод слежения за пользователем добавления хацуне мику на рабочий стол
Вы заметили, что почти весь сгоревший Лос-Анджелес был ДЕРЕВЯННЫЙ? Все эти особнячки стоимостью от миллиона долларов и выше? При том, что у них снег бывает раз в полвека. И только в России народилось поколение выблядков, которое стремится НЕПРЕМЕННО СЖЕЧЬ всё деревянное, потому что им, якобы, стыдно за нашу отсталось. В России, где холодные зимы, выбор дерева для строительства был вопросом выживания
Да, на #ТСПУ началась блокировка TLS 1.3 соединений использующих ECH (Encrypted Client Hello).
Проверяется легко, если в #Firefox можно через about:config отключить использование ECH:
network.dns.echconfig.enabled в false
При этом не обязательно трогать network.dns.http3_echconfig.enabled
А вот пользующиеся #Chrome и #Chromium в полном пролёте — возможность отключения #ECH теперь уже не предусмотрена. Убран и отправлен в небытие старый-добрый:
chrome://flags#encrypted-client-hello
После отключения ECH возвращается работоспособность таких безобидные сайтов как:
Ожидаемо, что по этой причине Центр мониторинга и управления сетью связи общего пользования (ЦМУ ССОП) Роскомнадзора пошлёт в пешее путешествие всех недовольных с жалобами. Предложив использовать браузеры, позволяющие отключать ECH.
Формально Роскомпозор блокирует лишь одно из расширений TLS 1.3, а не сам протокол. По причине того, что #Cloudflare включил использование #ECH для всех своих клиентов по умолчанию.
А горстка слабохарактерных идиотов, так и не смогла сделать ECH частью протокола TLS 1.3 — история тянется аж с 2018 года.
Уж очень много копий было сломано, пока уходили от 1.2 версии #TLS в сторону 1.3, шествие было очень длинным и напряжённым. И людишкам не хватило воли с характером на включение в 1.3 таких вещей как ECH — в раннем варианте это звалось ESNI и не выглядело зрелым решением.
#криптография #вебсервисы #Роскомнадзор #РКН
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@johan если надо ECH выключить в Chrome, то есть вариант через скрипт политики.
создать файл /etc/opt/chrome/policies/managed/conf.json c содержимым:
{
"EncryptedClientHelloEnabled": false
}
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Украине придётся воевать с США, если Трамп будет захватывать Гренландию.
В прошлом году Зеленский подписал с премьер-министром Дании соглашение о взаимных гарантиях безопасности. Документ обязует ВСУ защищать датские территории в случае вооружённого конфликта.
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Это будет интересно, если случится.
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армия ВСУ более опытная чем армия США кстати
Тарасы бы легко Джонов порезали, не будь у последний много много много самолетов
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yesfreenet, 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚊𝚗 и Wandering Thinker (Sharkey) поделились этим.
Сейчас делился в чате историями из жизни, и понял, что практически набралось на пост.
#Япония, как, полагаю, все знают, сильно борется за демографию (собственно с мема в приложении и началось обсуждение). Я немножечко понаблюдал за этим изнутри, и пока это выглядит весьма разумной и довольно осмысленной программой.
Скажем, мне прямо в первые же рабочие дни, ещё даже до медстраховки, выдали три миллиона йен по демографической программе: на ЭКО, ведение беременности, любые штуки про детей, а жене теперь регулярно присылают письма в духе «Если вы уже надумали рожать, то приходите к нам на консультацию, поможем вообще ВСЕМ». Такой материнский капитал, но ещё даже не до рождения, а прямо до зачатия, можно, скажем, провести полное медобследование перед тем, как заводить детей, и получить все нужные рекомендации. Ну и планирование беременности тоже здесь, а если собираетесь рожать больше одного, то там всё ещё и мультиплицируется.
С детьми куча льгот повсюду, от просто кредитов, до машин и жилья. С машинами и жильём, в принципе, всё довольно вкусно: я, конечно, как высокооплачиваемый экспат, и смотрю на всё это с кривой мордой (айтишники, айтишники никогда не меняются), но даже просто на первый взгляд Япония выглядит хорошо: полтутора моих зарплат хватает на кей-кар, а с детскими плюшками пары зарплат хватит на хороший минивэн. Ну и с жильём тоже особо проблем не наблюдается, если не жить в центре Токио и не пытаться выстроить себе дворец, то в некоторых префектурах дома отдают чуть ли не даром (местами реально даром) — только живите и не дайте загнуться деревеньке, которая стоит на этой горе последнюю тысячу лет.
Также есть куча инфраструктуры под детей: садики-школы-кружки-что-угодно, я живу около парка, и тут дети регулярно шастают организованными группами туда-сюда, да и в других местах регулярно встречаются такими группами, от храмов до зоопарка.
Ну и с такими программами коллеги, с которыми я общаюсь, активно размножаются 😀
Из проблем пока озвучивают только японскую школу. С садике, говорят, — дети, как дети, а вот после средней школы становятся задолбанными околосуицидниками. Непонятно, что там с ними делают, но работает одинаково на всех, видимо, программа такая суровая 🤷♂️
Ну и да, для гайдзинов не делается никаких особых ущемлений, медицина и любые сервисы доступны, разве что в большинстве мест хорошо бы знать японский, но это в принципе хорошо здесь везде. Да и вообще в любой стране лучше знать язык. Но на этом всё. Паспорт, национальность и прочие приколы никто нигде не проверяет, и в целом не особо заморачивается.
#дыбр
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D:\side\> и Digital Bath поделились этим.
Но самое плохое... Ладно, дизайн сменили. Допустим, захотелось новенького. Но они и состав поменяли — она стала приторно-мерзкой. Ничего не понимаю, неужели прямо толпы им жаловались, что недостаточно сладко? Так зубная паста и не для еды. У неё был хороший нейтральный оттенок с небольшой мятностью. А теперь я будто не зубы чищу, а варенье ем.
А если оно стало таким сладким... Это вызывает и дальнейшие вопросы, что ещё они убрали или уменьшили в составе, кто их знает, может, она вообще теперь испортилась.
Я вообще её беру уже полжизни только из-за того, что мне стоматолог сказал её брать. Больше никаких других не знаю.
ощущение, что этот текст на две с половиной минуты Алисе заслали прямиком из Кремля
интересно, что такой длинный ответ только на Станции. в приложении она открывает поиск и зачитывает Википедию, а на a.ya.ru ответ заметно короче
вообще я думал, что она как всегда уйдёт от ответа
Шуро нравится это.
судя по формулировкам, она тебе зачитала консультант+
(Я прослушала первые секунд 10)
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