Получили рейтлимит на mail.ru просто потому что см. изображение.
Три дня пытались добиться разбана, собрав пару очередей по 12 тысяч недоставленных туда сообщений, до поддержки там фиг достучишься и даже контакты не найти, так как см. изображение.
Да, наши домены зарегистрированы в ихних postmaster tools, где как бы можно смотреть статистику и возможные проблемы, но там за всё время видно 1 (одно) доставленное сообщение (это когда в день в норме идёт по десять тысяч), а что до проблем, то их нет и см. изображение.
Зато при каждом входе в эти самые postmaster tools требуют зарегистрироваться в ВК (это для сервисной учётки-то) или решать капчи при каждом клике и см. изображение.
Поддержка на третий день проснулась, попросила логи, их выслали и они ответили, что проблем не видят и их сервер никак там не отражён (а там сплошное mxs.mail.ru: limit exceeded, connection rejected и см. изображение).
Придумали тормозить и дёргать очередь с паузой в час, от чего пойманный врасплох mail.ru сообщений по 50-100 пропускал и снова заклинивал. Что всё же лучше, чем ноль. Собрали пачку инцидентов от всей конторы и её сервисов, но удивительно, что почти все коллеги отнеслись с пониманием. Никто не ждёт от mail.ru ничего хорошего. Через три дня внезапно просралось. #ТрудовыеБудни
Вот хз, это национальное или общемировое корпорастическое, но напомнило поддержку Озона. Ссылок на поддержку нет, висит в чатах бот с десятком пунктов. Пишешь в "другое" - ответ феноменальный: "Мы передали вашу заявку, но вернуться сюда не сможем. Если вам надо срочно - зайдите в главное меню и выберите нужный пункт".
Сколько у них там ящиков, десятки миллионов? Учитывая контингент, там надо полк техподдержки на смену выводить. А какие там волны спама идут и подумать страшно, явно всё работает без индивидуального подхода, за исключением каких-то супервипов типа Госуслуг и Сбера.
Но как с ними проблемы решать оперативно - не представляю.
Антиспам мейлру это тот ещё мем. Я как-то уже жаловался тут, что они на сутки задерживают письма на сторонние почтовые сервера (кроме крупных типа гмейла или яндеха). Саппорт не признаётся, просит логи почтового клиента. Я им хотел собрать прям PCAP-ы с ПК и с впски, но чё-т лень стало. Проблема известная и очень давняя.
i think what defines bluesky is your ability to craft the tone and content of the conversations you want to have, it’s like real facilitation aside from blocking, you have: - detach quote - hide reply that surely is hampering engagement, strictly speaking, but it significantly raises the quality
Firefox готовится к запуску бесплатного VPN, встроенного в браузер
Все указывает на то, что Firefox VPN будет бесплатным сервисом, но с некоторыми ограничениями, такими как возможное ограничение объема данных и небольшое количество серверов.
С помощью этой инициативы Mozilla намеревается позиционировать Firefox как «лучший браузер с встроенным VPN на рынке», титул, за который ведется все более ожесточенная борьба в войне за конфиденциальность в Интернете.
Mozilla VPN — платная штука для всех (куда есть установочники). А тут будет в браузере уже для всех (у кого будет работаь, разумеется). в статье про это говорится. кстати
Странно выделять это в отдельный сервис, если можно было бы просто сделать бесплатный план в уже существующем. Чувствую, долго не проживёт. Тем более когда у них с прибылью тяжело.
@kttrickster А что толку от бесплатного плана, если я не могу установить? Браузеры есть у всех и для всех платформ, даже на BSD работают, наверно.
Долго не проживёт
В том же Brave у меня не открывалась страница прямо в самом браузере, то есть подключиться я не мог и так.
Это напоминает прокси по типу Censor Tracker и прочих бесплатных расширений, которые тебе дают возможность открыть сайт под ограничениями доступа. Это ж не для всей системы по типу Nekoray(box)
@OfShad0ws Скорее всего, там не только ТОР, но и прочие проколюхи для обхода ограничений, оно как было там, так и будет. В ГНУ системах всё ставится с пол пинка, но мы — слишком маленькая аудитория, что б кто-то обращал внимание и шерстил все пакеты
Китай представил первый в истории собственный электронно-лучевой литографический аппарат под названием Xizhi
Разработка принадлежит Чжэцзянскому университету и, по словам местных СМИ, должна помочь стране снизить зависимость от зарубежных технологий, доступ к которым ограничен экспортным контролем США и Нидерландов
До сих пор китайские компании могли закупать лишь оборудование с устаревшей технологией DUV (литография в глубоком ультрафиолете), тогда как самые передовые EUV-станки (экстремальная ультрафиолетовая литография) от голландской ASML им были недоступны
Такое оборудование критически важно для производства чипов с техпроцессом менее 7 нм, в то время как лидеры рынка вроде TSMC и Samsung уже готовятся к массовому выпуску 2-нм процессоров
Xizhi использует сфокусированные электронные пучки для переноса схем на кремниевые пластины
Установка может формировать линии шириной всего 8 нм с точностью позиционирования 0,6 нм, что соответствует международным стандартам
Правда, такая технология не подходит для массового выпуска микросхем — зато отлично годится для тестовых этапов производства и исследований
По данным Hangzhou Daily, переговоры о поставках Xizhi уже ведутся с научными институтами и компаниями
Кроме того, аппарат дешевле импортных аналогов, что повышает его привлекательность на внутреннем рынке
Для Китая это первый шаг к созданию собственной экосистемы оборудования для микроэлектроники и способ обхода внешних ограничений
На этом фоне появляются сообщения и о более амбициозных планах
По слухам, HUAWEI уже тестирует собственную экспериментальную EUV-машину на заводе в Дунгуане
Если проект будет реализован, и массовое производство стартует к 2026 году, это может вернуть компании и всей китайской индустрии возможность выпускать передовые чипы, сравнимые с решениями Apple, Qualcomm и NVIDIA
Hope this is okay here but I am more and more skeptical of short form videos and hope there is a community where we can go to drop slop and have it identified.
Most AI video tools aren't perfect, so you can only spot the most obvious fakes. If someone takes time to edit a fake video, it becomes very hard to detect. The best way to judge is to check the source, the motive, and whether you trust the person who shared it.
Smaller content creators with fewer views are generally more genuine.
If I see someone with several thousand views, I'm instantly skeptical. If their channel is part of their work, I pay attention too. I'm fine with AI assisted content as long as there's an actual human behind the keyboard who truly took time to think and used their brain.
The Frank Zappa video is fake AF. Just google like "Frank Zappa Al Bundy quote" or any of the other topics. None of them are there. The google "AI" says Zappa was never quoted about Al Bundy.
Also the video itself looks too sharp for when this guy died. And the million russian hashtags? Phony.
edit: Holy shit just look at the account. It's all pure "AI" disinfo. smh.
Если в один прекрасный день ты поймешь, почему круглая пицца пакуется в квадратную коробку, а кушается треугольником, ты таки научишься понимать женщин!
@sasha Там просто 2 опции на одно и то же: ссылка в посте и chebotarev.spb.ru/blog/categor… - это выборка по категории "диафильмы" Чтоб не путать, может, уберу вторую
@sasha да, есть плагин, он подтягивает динамически список дочерних страниц. Но так как там уже ничего не меняется, то я перевел его в статику, чтоб быстрее подгружался.
А можно подарок выклянчить на Новый Год - выкачать все Ваши диафильмы? В моей коллекции разрешения поменьше хоть и выбирал лучшие из нескольких источников. И объем несравненно меньше. Все необходимые ссылки поставлю. Вот моя самодельная галерея: pole.nsupdate.info/disk1/diafi…
I think it's funny some people's solution to Bluesky fucking its users over is to move to a different server with all the potential headaches and complications that might cause, but these same people are loathe to touch Mastodon.
Предлагаю обсудить, как сейчас дела у протокола Matrix и его клиентов на Android.
Кто чем пользуется? Что раздражает в текущих приложениях или каких функций, по-вашему, остро не хватает? Отдельный вопрос по безопасности — есть что-то, что вызывает сомнения или опасения? Было бы интересно услышать разные мнения на этот счет.
Разрабы matrix HQ рукожопы Медленная разработка Мало рабочих ботов Отвратительно кривая основа с оглядкой на email которая портит приватность Мейнтейнится отвратительно, не скейлится Средняя безопасность по меркам безопасных мессенджеров
что среди безопасных мессенджеров для себя выбрал? И про приватность ты упомянул, что можешь рассказать? Я просто собираю информацию, и хочу небольшую серию постов сделать.
давай расскажу. Матрикс пока что во главе, потому что я им рулю и с гемором он работает стабильно и привычно. Новый Кандидат - simplex, но в прошлый раз были проблемы с стабильностью.
Про приватность matrix - метаданные есть Передаёт данные об устройстве и клиенте серверу, достаточно полные зачем, не понять. (Юзерагент вроде) Раскрывает клиент+ОС всем кто с тобой на сервере с нативного клиента. Приходится патчить сервак либо юзать другие клиенты. Retention работает из задницы, стирание сообщений на клиентах нормально работать не хочет, рандомно остаются данные. E2E + боты - несовместимо криво и больно
Система звонков сломана старые клиенты когда звонишь 1 на 1, более менее окей
Когда звонишь в группе с старого клиента - jitsi который вероятно без e2e и редко когда работает адекватно и на android и на Linux.
Новые звонки на новых клиентах никто в лицо не видел потому что надо поднимать ещё 3 сервиса иначе работать не будет, но там все должно быть окей.
Не поддерживает tor
Самый главный минус - чинить это никто не собирается.
Это чисто по безопасности, сломанного и кривого ещё полно.
Обнаружил, что не видно постов с mastodon.world. Он не дружит с mastodon.ml или вообще заблокирован в России? Собственно, в браузере mastodon.world тоже не открывается, если через мобильный интернет. Через рабочий, по проводу, открывается, но зато там mastodon.ml выдаёт 403 Forbidden. Такие дела.
это один из нюансов федерации. Ты его посты смотришь не просто *от* нас, но и *у* нас. С нашего сервера на этот аккаунт (!) никто не подписывался и постов его не бустил, вот его постов у нас и нет. Подпишешься — новые будут поступать. Старые, увы, пока придётся смотреть в первоисточнике браузером. Чему да, РКН мешает (mastodon.world на хостинге Hetzner, которому РКН велел приземлиться, а он просьбу проигнорировал). Но у нас с ними никакой ссоры нет.
Если хочешь повзаимодействовать с постом, найденным в браузере, скопируй ссылку на него и вставь в поиск в приложении, должен найтись.
@dside Ага, то есть только после подписки. Понятно, спасибо. Ну, я так и подозревал, что хостинг попал под раздачу. Когда начались блокировки в этом году, у меня перестала работать пачка приложений, включая прогноз погоды, онлайн-радио и так далее.
I realize my title has little to do with the post, lol, tired ADHD brain. I did have the thought that if someone were to be ambitious and motivated enough, the Red Dwarf code could be used to build direct access to BlueSky content into a Fediverse client.
But then, I'm always the guy in the corner pining for the good ole' days of Trillian for IM, the one client to reach them all ^_^
I was recently playing around with Constellation and - partly as a statement but mostly as a personal challenge - used it to build ATProto notifications support into my ActivityPub enabled web app (writeup here, I'd post from that but I think lemmy.world blocks it since I sent it too many invalid activities or whatever).
I already had the ability to follow someone on atproto by resolving their handle and hitting their PDS directly (without authentication - that's all public), and I also turned Bridgy Fed on. With Constellation, I was able to (a) find the bridged atproto version of each ActivityPub post I made, and (b) find any likes, replies, or reposts related to each post.
When a Bluesky post hits my inbox and I click on it, my app checks to see if that user is also using Bridgy Fed, and if they are, it shows me their post over ActivityPub instead, so I can like or reply to it.
More broadly, it might be interesting if someone made an app that used a PDS as its primary datastore, but also had ActivityPub S2S support built into it. I know wafrn can do both protocols, but I think in its case it mirrors posts to a separate PDS kind of like you're describing.
PandaCap is freaking awesome! Pretty much just what I had in mind when I posted previously about a single client to act as inbox for all ActivityPub and RSS/Atom content, only I had imagined it as a browser plugin or full on custom browser so that the content from the inbox would be opened in a client of the user's preference based on post type.
Really awesome project! including DeviantArt etc is really great for the art angle.
The only feature I would miss here vs. other clients is the search function as you mention. I assume that is omitted because it is a lot of work to implement. Have you looked at extending your project with someone else's code for that function? I know sometimes that is more trouble than help, but it would really take the project to that next level of "completely full featured client".
I have looked at wafrn, definitely a cool project and I like that it handles both protocols, but it has some limitations that hold me back from switching to it as my main client. I didn't know it was using a PDS in that way, do you mean it uses a server side PDS to mirror ATProto content or is it PDS per user?
I'm not exactly sure how it works in wafrn - I haven't looked into it myself - but last I heard, they were using blacksky's PDS (lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/51892713) which I'm guessing means all their users (at least the ones who've turned atproto on) get mirrored to that particular PDS.
The search functionality missing from Pandacap is in some ways intentional; I don't personally like searching for anything in the fediverse or in Bluesky, because I run into a lot of text posts, photos, screenshots or whatever that I don't have context for and that I haven't mentally prepared myself to see. But there's also the technical issue that right now, Pandacap doesn't index incoming posts in one place; they either go to the inbox, go to notifications, or get ignored. If search were to be implemented, perhaps it could take the form of an external ActivityPub instance that indexes posts, and Pandacap would just hit its API or something.
The other issues with Pandacap are that it's single-user, and that it's on the Microsoft stack, so no one can really use it unless they're willing to sign up for Azure and know their way around it enough to get it deployed. But that keeps overheads down for me compared to running a VPS.
I've never tried loading a PeerTube post in Pandacap but I wonder if it would try (and fail) to display the video in an image tag, or if it would just show up as a text post.
Wafrn (tumblr alternative with fediverse and bluesky support) has started using an alternate relay; this means that they depend on none of bluesky's infrastructure to work.
Bluesky post by @gabboman.at.app.wafrn.net saying: "Thanks a lot to @[url=https://bsky.brid.gy/ap/did:plc:w4xbfzo7kqfes5zb7r6qv3rw]Rudy wants revolution.[/url] for hosting the blacksky PDS. After confirmating thatis ok, wafrn now uses blacksky's relay! In the next update other wafrns may also use the relay"
I think it could be. Cosmos DB might have to be replaced with a different EF Core provider - not sure which would be most appropriate but I'm sure something would work. Key and image storage could just be done on disk.
Looks like someone's built a Reddit-like on top of ATProto. Would be really interesting to see whether it could interact with the threadiverse through something like BridgyFed, which currently only works with microblogs (I think?)
In a nutshell, it's because you don't have to build the entire kit and kaboodle all at once.
Lots of BlueSky is centralized so you don't have to worry about distribution, user, hosting, scaling, etc. and just focus on the frontend.
It's the same reason why all the Lemmy and Mastodon apps look way better than the web versions, because all those other parts are no longer relevant and the creator(s) can focus on just putting out a polished product.
That site looks like it's closed source. FOSS projects tend to not be well designed in the frontend except the occasional gem. Not sure why it's such a pattern, considering this project isn't making much money and it's made by a single dev.
I think the most interesting opportunity here is that ATProto's strength is that it was built for a "credible exit", i.e, it allows users to migrate from any centralized network to a decentralized one.
IOW, it would be a lot easier to implement Fediverser on top of ATProto than of ActivityPub.
Federation is not the natural unit of organization, that's a hill I'm ready to die on. The problem is that most people get hung up on the idea of instances because they've only experienced the two extremes of siloed networks and the "Dark Forest" of blockchain.
On the topic of 'hills to die on', I will say I have gained a significant respect for you over the last 2 years, for sticking to your principles on this and following through on them.
We might disagree on the best way to do things. I'd witnesed you in the past receiving a lot of pushback (to put it lightly) for a well-intentioned but controversially implemented project (the whole Reddit mirroring and account claiming thing you tried). If I had been in your shoes at the time, I would probably have quit Lemmy and the Fediverse entirely for something else in order to try to pursue that vision. Yet, you've stayed with it, with the aim to refine your ideas on how to better bring decentralized social media to the general public. So kudos to you for your resoluteness on this.
I agree with everything. The thing is, I've been thinking about the psychology behind this lately.
When Fedi-Fans complain about Bluesky, it is usually based on the misunderstanding that it also is instance based. It really doesn't seem to occur to many that things might be done differently. But I think it may go a little deeper.
A common complaint is that it's too expensive to run a full relay. People want to self-host it all. They want to feel that they are in control and don't need anyone. It's not particularly rational but people do lots of silly things chasing that feeling. The rational start would be to move somewhere remote and grow your own food. Instead, people buy a pick-up truck or degoogle their phone.
That architecture also appeals to a more tribal mindset. An instance is "our" place. We just pull up the drawbridge when bad people come and we are safe here in "our" castle.
I think to some people that is more appealing than the more open design of atproto.
On Bluesky, there is all this waffle about some people trying to get someone banned. They might find such tribal architecture more appealing.
It's a mess, I find it ridiculous that my account and all of its data is tied to a fediverse instance (which is most often operated by a single person that could decide to shut it down at any time) and other people are ok with this
Fediverse Report 137 - this week’s fediverse news
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[li]altstore joins the fediverse, and you can interact with apps on the alternative iOS app store now via your fediverse accounts. Altstore also made a 500k USD donation to various fediverse platform
Fediverse Report 137 - this week's fediverse news
altstore joins the fediverse, and you can interact with apps on the alternative iOS app store now via your fediverse accounts. Altstore also made a 500k USD donation to various fediverse platforms
Mastodon is getting Starter Packs, with more details on the design, soliciting feedback
A New Social announced a new version for Bounce, which allows you to transfer your account from the fediverse to #bluesky
Alternative iOS app store AltStore joins the fediverse, with a 500k USD donation to various fediverse projects. Mastodon talks about their upcoming Starter Pack feature. Bounce your account from the fediverse to Bluesky.
Since 15 September, IFTAS has been tracking a coordinated network of accounts operating across Mastodon. These accounts are engaged in a high-volume propaganda campaign, promoting pro-Russian narra…
Remember every time we find Putin backed propaganda outside of Russia in the wild, it's nearly always boosting predominantly conservative viewpoints versus anything else.
Outside of their borders they're more interested in people fighting with each other than anything like coming together. Right wing politics is how they do that
Sorry, but this is wrong. They're also actively sponsoring "left wing" propaganda, to further sow discord. Depending on which group you yourself belong to, it's just easier to spot "the others".
And of that propaganda being created, that conservative inclined people are most likely to fall for it: journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/…
There seem to be plenty of other papers that more or less reach those same conclusions with a good number of citations, but I can't find anything really at all on Google Scholar concluding the opposite with a quick search, let alone something also credible.
The closest some papers come is saying that they try groups all over the political spectrum, as their goal is disunity ultimately, but they seemingly don't really have any kind of continued success with misinforming those groups anywhere near as effectively. They more or less all end up concluding that most of the propaganda targets conservatives, because they're the ones that fall for it.
I think one of the problems with citing that first study as evidence Russian disinfo is targeted at conservatives more than liberals is that it only studied one case, and Russian disinformation campaigns tailor their disinfo to different demographics, often through brute force/trial and error. So it is quite possible that the particular case they studied happens to be tailored to (or more successfully resonated with) conservatives, while another specific case would have resonated with liberals more thus resulting in more liberal exposure by their metrics.
Your assertion that more is conservative is a meaningless assertion in the context of this discussion.
More can be conservative on average but you don't see an average view of the internet, you see your filter bubble, and that source backs up the original assertion that yes, Russia is targeting leftists too.
Rumors and smears are part of free speech. To the extent that right-wing trolls and their audience are actual voters, it's essentially just a coarse form of ordinary political speech.
The extent to which a foreign government acting coverly is either creating or artificially boosting such content is scandalous.
True enough. But even a tyrannical government at least has a presumable intent of working for the betterment of its country. (Albeit through wrongheaded and small-minded means )
A.foreijgn power, especially a historical adversary and bad actor, is instead presumably working to harm or diminish us.
No, they have the intent of working for themselves. That's it. They don't give a shit about the country and you should never presume the ruling class of your country has your country's best interests in mind.
You presented it as proof that Russia is supporting misinformation on the left. To be that, it has to both include all three parts of the claim -- that there is disinformation on the left, that Russia is covertly supporting disinformation, and that some of the disinformation on the left was supported by Russia.
If your wife sleeps around, and I engage in casual sex, it does not necessarily follow that I slept with your wife.
A common suspicion in America is that Vladimir Putin believes that Trump as POTUS is good for Russia, and that Putin interferes with US politics with a specific goal of helping Trump.
If you have some reporting that directly links Russia to left-wing disinformation I'd love to read it. But the BBC article I read after following your link didn't have any such link.
When you make a statement it's your responsibility to provide proof because what if you're talking out of your ass? How would we find any proof in that scenario when it literally wouldn't exist? How would we know if you misinterpreted a source? How would we know we misinterpreted the correct source? What if we think what you're saying is so stupid we don't want to waste our time looking for proof? There are a lot of reasons the burden of proof shouldn't fall on us, which means the burden of proof should fall on the person who made the statement. They know if what they said is factual and if it's factual they know where they found this fact and thus it would be significantly less effort for them to find and present the source.
Better. That actually supports the assertion that Russia does engage in left-targeted disinformation (in Canada, on Twitter.)
It also supports the original point you dismissed as "wrong" -- of the 90 "most influential" accounts, only 9 were subjectively identified as "Canadian far left".
Maybe you should spend more time reading the actual articles, and not just their headlines?
Absolutely and utterly false. They try and promote fighting, anger, and distrust of government to everyone.
They target leftists with things that will upset them, make them angry at the right and the government and other leftists and sow further discord and polarization.
Less extreme Leftists generally aren't nearly as likely to be control freaks as the right (although there are always exceptions), so getting them (as a group) angry enough to fight takes much more effort than it does the right.
Thats false, every report ive seen on Russian activity shows that they antagonise both left and right wing people creating and boosting misinformation and organising real world protest events.
A source for my lived experience? Or do you mean an example?
I have been banned from .ml twice for stating that Russia shot down a civilian airliner over Ukraine - a matter of incontrovertible fact which has absolutely nothing to do with any leftist theory, as far as my masters degree in political science can discern.
.ml is moderated to be ideologically one sided. Pro-capitalism is literally not allowed and will deleted. Making a pro-west or anti-China or Russia comment is like a bat signal for .ml admins and users alike to dogpile on your comment.
It’s their right to moderate their instance how they see fit, but removing content on ideological grounds is going to result in people thinking what’s left is propaganda.
For the most part I like .ml users, I don’t care for the admin team and moderator decisions and that’s why I’m not on that instance. I could care less about the fact my instance is defederated from hexbear users or grad users. They do want to be polarizing and live in a propaganda bubble
I wouldn't call them that. Most if not all of them are genuine people with some having accs for many years before Reddit crossed the line for most of us and them becoming anyhow relevant to interfere. In a recent hexbearean post about fediverse negativity I've read a couple of opinions with a notion that federating with others wasn't that great, and they were pretty happy just by themselves. I assume, it's the same for other two too. That's a game too long and effortful to be a psyop imho. Their positions and where they get their info are things to argue, but let's not get as far as dehumanizing them.
Almost everywhere I soundly proclaim that I am a russian dummy anarchist, that I live in that state for I have no options, and I angrily disagree with their fascination, mystification of what it is, I hold a grudge with anyone who wants that russki mir to be the model the whole world should share.
I, nevertheless, find a lot of points, like personal stuff and grieveancies, theoretical things, sympathy to protesters, to Gazan survivors that I share with them. Unlike transparently racist/fascist troll comms that were there, unlike their campaigns I've noticed, there is a huge population of real people worthy of talking, arguing with.
Call me any names and ban me, but as long as any person or community is supportive of basic pillar causes like body autonomy, you, like, can at least talk to them and find something in common.
What I missed though, is that Diva said the same, but misleadingly doubted the existence of russian bot networks. Them and state suppression ruined the rusophonic space to that degree I dropped it altogether. I don't know how their actions affected other countries, but as a nolifer shitposting addict trying to trust them just a bit, I came through fire, water and copper tubes before dropping them altogether. They are like current Twitter, but worse. And, well, fuck, I wasn't abandoning that to find the next option already corrupted.
To be honest I didn't understand the thrust of most of what you wrote, but if you are against the Rusky Mir, you are probably on the right side to begin with. If you are an anarchist, you probably have no place on .ml to begin with.
Drunktexting and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
The main point why I wrote it was that I don't find them either bots or artifical influencers. They do probably want to have some reach or fresh blood, but don't want their local culture to be spread too thin like it's reddit 2.0. They are anything but cancer that I've met seeing real botfaming ops.
And, although I don't share many of their thoughts, most of the posts I see in my feed discuss common issues where we aren't that far from each other. Closer, than to maga/zionist/z-crowd. And in that context I find it alright to not draw any lines and just talk.
When things start to get overly political, well, that's a whole another thing, where different bestest solutions are incompatible, historical betrayals are dugged up and the internet infighting ensues. It's exhausting and pointless with just 2mil mostly irrelevant nerds on Fediverse. It's easier to just scroll through some amuzing takes, and instead focus on things where we can cooperate.
misleadingly doubted the existence of russian bot networks
don't get me wrong, I know these exist. I am just expressing skepticism because people on the English speaking Internet will act like every reply they don't like is a bot puppeteered by foreign intelligence.
It's just more likely to be a normal person and any state actors are probably going to be focusing on the corporate-run social media spaces
"I have to admit, I'm always so impressed by Soviet propaganda. You really know how to get people worked up," the CIA agent says.
"Thank you," the KGB agent says. "We do our best but truly, it's nothing compared to American propaganda. Your people believe everything your state media tells them."
The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. "Thank you friend, but you must be confused... There's no propaganda in America."
Lots of people can not stand the fact that you don't agree with them. They will accuse you of being a bot or something, rather than to accept the fact that people have different opinions on things.
The fact the comments here are so contentious is just funny. I will block as is appropriate but so far have not had to do to much of it on the fediverse. Man it needs to be reciprical though so their training is limited.
There are obviously agents from elsewhere, and some of them may be pretty effective, but it's nothing compared to Trump and Co getting money from the likes of Saudis and acting like they own the place. If the main concern is american politics, well, the real worms aren't theoretical or real foreign enemies, but corrupted fuckheads that ignore human, state rights, shutdown government, pack people from the streets to deport. No enemy could've done such damage so-called friends are doing.
The rise in right-wing nationalism has been notable across Europe, as well. It's a good guess that the Russians have been pushing that, too. The US is just ahead of the curve.
The network includes accounts impersonating reputable news outlets such as BBC News, Euronews, and Meduza, designed to give credibility to Telegram propaganda links. We believe it may be connected to the “Pravda/Portal Kombat” pro-Russia propaganda network.
Accounts are hosted across numerous Mastodon instances and bridged into Bluesky, creating the appearance of independent sources. Activity on Bluesky helped reveal aggregate patterns, identical usernames, posting schedules, and content themes more clearly than across decentralised Mastodon services.
If your first reaction was to post "posts I dislike are Russian bots", then you haven't actually grasped the argument. It has nothing to do with anyone disagreeing with specific posts.
It's also very telling that you're reflexively posting that when it says nothing about the data being presented.
I think QoL tools for moderators need to become more of a Fediverse priority. This burns people out. Key moderators of communities quit and communities become abandoned.
Ideas : - Automatic removal option to remove posts and/or comments for specific keywords. This would be most useful for automatically removing posts and comments when people slur. Piefed already has a keyword filter for visibility. This could be expanded to community settings. Have it also fire-off a report to the moderators when someone triggers it. - Automatic URL removal. Allow communities to blacklist specific urls. Useful for politics or news communities that want to negate sources known for misinformation. - Automatic removal for repeat URL posting. Very useful for politics or news communities to prevent double-posting. - Make it so a community can set itself up to only accept text posts, video posts, or image posts. This should prevent tedious janitorial cleanup for communities that only allow links, or text posts (the most common two). - Post Delay Restrictions. Some communities, perhaps not many, might be interested in posting cooldowns for users. So you can only post 1 post every hour, or 2 posts every hour - or whatever the chosen limit is. This would help negate spammers and over-enthusiastic posters flooding a topical community. - Post Formatting Requirements. This one could be trickier and more effort than most of the others, but setting conditions for the formatting of new posts would be useful.
Now, not all communities would make use or have any need to make use of all of these - but many would to varying degrees - and it would help them.
I think going down this road is important to prevent moderators burning out over the drudgery of moderating communities.
I suppose not. Although I imagine if the Fediverse gets more users it will happen more and more. The current mod tools are not really up to the job as it increases in activity.
If everything is a priority, nothing is a priority.
By now I've written four bots using the lemmy API.
Any one of your ideas is doable in a weekend if I ever feel the need for a modding bot. But I haven't. Several communities and instances already have them.
Honestly that's how it should be. Modding can have such diverse needs depending on community that just implementing every possible eventuality into lemmy itself, is a huge ask.
Any large community on discord, reddit and other platforms, make extensive use of automod bots. Because using the API, you can write bots that do whatever you can think of.
Modding is volunteer work, but it is work.
If you need tools, find them. If they don't exist, create them. If you don't have the skills or time, then don't volunteer.
Asking some volunteers to do more than they already are because you think they are letting down another set of volunteers just risks burning out a different set of volunteers.
To be clear, I'm not thinking about Lemmy here specifically. But in any case, however its done - either via the settings, or an easy to access official or officially endorsed mod-bot - access and knowledge to and of these tools should be easy and well-known for community owners.
If you need tools, find them. If they don’t exist, create them. If you don’t have the skills or time, then don’t volunteer.
Not every would-be moderator of a community has the skills or knowhow to make and/or host these things. Even Reddit now, at its size, lacks some capable tools not consistently covered in automod tools.
What I disagree with is that this is a priority. It's a nice-to-have.
Once mod actions are supported, and an API exists, any imaginable automation can be implemented by anyone with the impetus to do so.
As such, the priority of further integration drops drastically and platform developer attention can and should move elsewhere.
Mod tools are best created by the people who use them. Even better when they are created for the needs of a specific community. As such, more advanced features should be deferred until later.
Once communities grow large enough that there are a significant number of moderator-developers around, it might be worth creating a generic bot that can be configured as needed. (As has happened with reddit, discord, etc.)
Asking for these tools before then, is inefficient, because the people who ideally should be working on them, haven't shown up yet, and the platform developers time is better spent on other things.
Well I'm thinking in terms of how to 'shore up' the fediverse, so to speak - to make it able to cope with potential future growth. I do think all of the examples in my OP that I've given are pretty general and one or more of them would be implemented by most communities the moment they were able to do so.
In Skavau's defense, they aren't a programmer, but are probably one of the most active people on piefed's chat server/matrix room as well as the codeberg repo providing ideas and feedback. So they are volunteering time that way (in addition to being site staff for piefed.social).
Some of the ideas in this post are good imo, but are currently not possible yet using the piefed api due to it being much less complete compared to lemmy's. So, it helps us figure out prioritization on what kinds of endpoints would be useful to flesh out next.
My core point is that when it comes to moderation, I would prioritize actual mod actions (such as a mod being able to mark posts nsfw instead of deleting them outright) and API support for those actions, over built-in automod features.
Once you have an API, anyone with the skills can implement whatever automation they need.
After that, I would priotize a bunch of other things, too, before ever coming back around to built-in automod features.
There are a lot of people who make excellent mods who are not programmers. It's already a small enough pool that requiring a particular skill only further narrows the pool. It also has a secondary effect that good mods may be unwilling to take on larger communities, or additional responsibilities.
If we want better moderation, the fediverse has to become more friendly to non technical people.
That seems like the best of these ideas. But it would be better for the originating instance to warn the poster that their url has already been seen and stop them posting it unless they really really want to.
Well yeah Piefed actually already does this. But some people will just ignore it even if everyone uses Piefed. I would make use of blocking repeat-url posting and have it so anyone who ignores it has their post automatically removed or blocked.
What are the differences between piefed and lemmy? Is one financed/supported/organised by commercial companies (or people that work for them)? Are they both grassroots and independent? Do they combat algorithms? Or something else?
Yes, piefed is independent in the same way as lemmy is.
Piefed has tools that Lemmy does not: Flairs, user flairs, hashtags, custom feeds/topics, scheduled posts, poll posting, events - word filters for users.
Most of these features are also implemented in Lemmy, and others too such as private communities (which can only be browser by users that were manually approved by moderators). However we have very high standards for correctness, performance and UX so it takes a while to get all of this released in the upcoming 1.0 version.
Don't donate to the Lemmy devs except if you are ok with supporting transphobes and tankies, because that's what the Lemmy-Devs are (and it's very well documented!). Donate either to the piefed team or to your local instance instead!
Donations are to pay for the development of Lemmy which is a full-time job and pays for our bills. Donating to Lemmy does not mean "supporting transphobes and tankies", thats a really weird thing to say.
If you want to donate to lemmy instances (or the devs as well if the other replies haven’t changed your mind) a lot of them are on Liberapay and if yours isn’t, they probably have a donate link on their web UI.
Interesting, why do you think that scriptable moderation bots need a completely new platform? Wouldnt it be much easier to utilize the Lemmy api directly?
Well, my initial idea was to build this only for lemmy and yes it would be easier that way if I didn't care about scalability.
However, the API was not good enough for my use case. Polling new posts and comments was my main issue with it. So mostly scaling issues. You could miss some posts and comments. The amount of API requests would get bigger with the amount of communities the bot moderates. There are also some problems with the rate limits.
They can be solved by directly querying the database, but who's going to give you database access? So you'd have to host lemmy yourself just for the bot. And I'd imagine the database would grow pretty fast with the number of communities. I explicitly do not want to store any posts or comments.
Another solution would be using Lemmy's new webhook system, but I don't know how reliable it will be.
So I stopped halfway through and started a new project with new goals:
Make a new federated platform
With federation, the problems above would be solved. This also allows it to be hosted without having to find a suitable Lemmy instance for it or even self host one yourself.
Stronger integration with platforms via a modular federation system
If I made it depend on Lemmy, a strong integration with other platforms wouldn't be possible. Piefed has features that Lemmy doesn't, for example. People can maintain a set of platform specific activitypub structs and enable the bot to federate with that platform.
Not really answering your question, but I'd like to make a clarification: The bots will only be able to operate within the boundaries of the communities they are appointed to (or I guess groups). They cannot manage any instances. Furthermore, my main intention is for them to be used primarily as moderation bots, but they can also be used as general purpose bots within the community.
To get new posts and comments for all known communities you only need to make regular requests to /api/v3/post/list?limit=50&sort=New&type_=All and /api/v3/comment/list?limit=50&sort=New&type_=All. Its not necessary to make separate requests for each community. The default rate limit allows 180 read requests per minute so you can comfortably poll this every second (in practice every 30s or so should be enough). If you miss an item (ie post or comment id was skipped) just load the following page.
The plugin system in 1.0 would be another option. It will still take some time until that is released, but there shouldnt be any reliability issues.
Youre right that federation solves these problems, but instead you get another problem of writing all this federation code and making sure it is compatible with different platforms. Lemmy's federation code has around 12k lines so that is a lot. It seems much simpler to use the API for Lemmy, Piefed etc and write abstractions for common functionality.
Anyway this is my opinion. Its your project so in the end its your decision how to implement it.
Yep. I did use those endpoints with the ModeratorView (The bot doesn't need posts or comments from communities it doesn't moderate) on my first attempt. I went with the federation approach at last because of future scalability issues. Though that is probably an exaggeration. If the default rate limit is 180 read requests per minute, that would be more than enough, honestly. The scale at which the scalability issues I mentioned would appear at about more than 4500 comments/posts per minute. Frankly, I think we'll never reach that in the near future. So actually the rate limiting issue is practically not an issue for the foreseeable future.
The plugin system would work. The fetching problem would disappear.
Though I don't think the federation code would be huge. I am not trying to make it compatible with all platforms. For example I'll write the required Lemmy ActivityPub structs to send moderation related activities and actors. The Group's instance would handle distributing the activities, so even though this project might not federate with Piefed for example, it would still receive the activities the bot sends to the Group's inbox through the instance's software, Lemmy.
If someone wanted to get the bot to work on another Ap platform that supports groups, they would have to write the necessary Ap actors, activities, and a bit of glue code, and that would be it... or at least that's how I'm planning it.
I guess I'll try to work with the plugin system if I can't achieve what I want and keep it simple. It would at least be a learning experience, if nothing else. Thank you for the info.
With 4500 posts per minute you will probably get a lot of other scaling issues too, like with your database or the processing of incoming and outgoing activities. In any case its a good way to learn how Activitypub works. Is the code open source? Dont see it on your codeberg.
Using the plugin system you basically just need a way to get notified about each new post and comment, right? I expect that will be one of the major use cases for plugins. We will likely provide various official plugins, eg push notifications for Android and iOS. The same thing should also work for you.Version 1.0 will let you subscribe to communities to get notifications for all new posts and comments (code).
Rewrites the notification system to be more flexible and extensible
Removes the tables inbox_combined, person_post_mention, person_comment_mention and comment_reply replacing them with a single not...
I haven't released the source code yet. The private repo at the moment is very messy in general so I am just waiting until I get a somewhat working pre-alpha done with the design that I am still experimenting with finalized. There's still a ton of work to be done since I just started 2 weeks ago.
Yes, although communities on here already roll with some of these rules. Some don't want double link posting or want to ban specific urls or specific keywords - they just have to do it manually. This can cause mod burnout over time.
That could happen in the future but at the moment and in the past surely we lost more mods as a result of their community being dead than from their community being too active. But we don't hear from them because they feel rejected and like they failed so they slink away quietly.
True. I am just mostly trying to make a record of this stuff for the future. Obviously in the event of these tools existing, mods wouldn't have to turn them on.
I definitely think there needs to be some rough guide on making your community federated and then advertising it effectively so communities can get that early kick.
I guess in a way that's what it offers, just that instead of an algorithm it's human curated. Mastodon is a lot about boosts, so following someone doesn't mean just following them, but also being subjected to whatever they boost (unless you silence their boosts of course). So if you're interested in pottery and you follow a pottery starter pack, chances are that feed will end up a curated channel of pottery content.
The great thing is that it has quality control and cannot be abused the same way algorithmic feeds always end up being. The funky thing is, of course, that you also end up being exposed to everything else those people are interested in. But I think that's part of what makes Mastodon feels so nice.
I see what you mean, but it's never worked as well for me as a simple, well designed algorithm or even bsluesky feeds, or, incidentally, lemmy communities.
I wish there was something like this for tags. So: display only posts that contain tag X, but sort them with some algorithm. Ideally: steered by number of likes and date of adding. May be even the same that is used by Lemmy.
That's what I want, it could be implemented like bluesky feeds, where you choose the tags and words you want included, and then choose what kind of ordering you want!
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Bluesky pioneered a brilliant solution to this “empty feed problem” in 2024, with the introduction of “Starter Packs”, a feature that allows users to curate and share their own collections of recommended accounts.
Bluesky pioneered, eh? I distinctly remember using a feature called "circles" on Google+ back in 2011. It allowed people to create arbitrary "circles" of people, share them and have others bulk-follow/unfollow the people from a circle. It worked incredibly well and Google+ became a lively social network even with its small userbase at the time.
I really don't understand the point of packs when Mastodon has hashtag follows. Mastodon is already winning in terms of discovery here and in fact I still don't use Bluesky because its impossible to discover content there.
On Bluesky you get a pack of people but in linear timelines the power spammers just take over and then you have to do all that personal curation anyway but it's often even a worse starting point than just blank slate. With hashtag following I just subscribe to #fediverse and discover new content and creators organically.
Instead I'd like to see Mastodon commit more to organic discovery rather than consolidation of power users by expanding post classification system like using AI classification that attaches topic hashtags to posts etc to help users discover content they actually want to see not follow personalities.
Какой-то сервис в тик токе переписали с го на раст и всё стало дешевле и быстрее в 2 раза 😁
Критический сервис TikTok, написанный на Go, был переписан частично на Rust для узких мест. Это дало двукратный рост производительности, снижение задержек и нагрузок на CPU и память. В итоге сервис обрабатывает в 2 раза больше запросов, что снизило инфраструктурные затраты на $300,000 в год #go #rust
What nobody likes to talk about is the amount of developer time (and therefore money) it takes to write and maintain a correct and optimized Rust program.
I recently discovered NodeBB can federate and started hunting for interesting instances. I’m into tech, literature, and indie games but haven’t found an instance that fits. Could anyone recommend NodeBB instances with active communities focused on those topics? Thanks!
I checked some of the forums in the link (nodebb.fediverse.observer/list) you posted, but it's hard to tell what most of those NodeBB instances are actually for: many lack descriptions and the forum names don't say much. I would have to read a few posts in each forum to figure out what each one is for. I found a literature forum but it only has three posts, I don't want to make an account just to shout into the void, so I'm trying to post to it from Lemmy.
I tried posting to the literature community I found via Lemmy but the post never showed up on the NodeBB instance. I used Lemmy's search with the target community URL (community.darkscribes.com/cate…), it found the community, and I created a post from Lemmy (lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/54997372). I can see the post on Lemmy but not on the target NodeBB instance. Any idea why that might be or how to get Lemmy posts to appear on federated NodeBB forums?
Oh, I'm sorry to hear that... unfortunately debugging server-to-server interactions is kind of tough. It should work though, so I don't know why it didn't... yet. It could be their version of NodeBB isn't up to date enough.
RamSDRAdmin (R3DHX)
в ответ на Шуро • • •Wandering Thinker (Sharkey)
в ответ на Шуро • • •Шуро
в ответ на Wandering Thinker (Sharkey) • • •@Wandering Thinker (Sharkey) в чём-то я их понимаю даже.
Сколько у них там ящиков, десятки миллионов? Учитывая контингент, там надо полк техподдержки на смену выводить. А какие там волны спама идут и подумать страшно, явно всё работает без индивидуального подхода, за исключением каких-то супервипов типа Госуслуг и Сбера.
Но как с ними проблемы решать оперативно - не представляю.
Wandering Thinker (Sharkey)
в ответ на Шуро • • •Andrey [0xdc, 0x09];
в ответ на Шуро • • •Я как-то уже жаловался тут, что они на сутки задерживают письма на сторонние почтовые сервера (кроме крупных типа гмейла или яндеха). Саппорт не признаётся, просит логи почтового клиента. Я им хотел собрать прям PCAP-ы с ПК и с впски, но чё-т лень стало.
Проблема известная и очень давняя.
Шуро
в ответ на Andrey [0xdc, 0x09]; • • •@Andrey [0xdc, 0x09]; да, на антиспам регулярно налетаем тоже. Но вот эти лимиты что-то новенькое.
Может, конечно, DDoS какой отбивали.
Max Kostikov
в ответ на Шуро • • •По опыту хуже mail.ru только Microsoft.